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welcome everyone to somewhere in the

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skies and welcome UFO people we are

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going to be talking all about this brand

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new comic series from the two gentlemen

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you see on our screen right now or their

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voices you're about to hear if you're

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just listening to the podcast so we have

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with us today Todd purse and Rob

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Christopherson guys how's it going going

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good

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it's uh it's it's been a day it's been a

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day but we're getting through we're

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getting through we were talking off air

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before we started here guys um myself

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and Rob are both under the weather so um

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we're gonna make it through this because

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you guys came out with a brand new issue

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of this comic today actually the day

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we're recording this on March 16th

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um and it's just I love it I love

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everything about it

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um and the fact that we didn't have

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something like this before astounds me

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but I'm so incredibly excited to know

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that you two are at the helm of this

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um so let's just get to it welcome UFO

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people how did this project come to be

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um how did you decide which cases to

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cover let's start with that how did you

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guys connect first of all yeah I I'll

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handle part of this and let Rob handle

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the other part so uh thanks for having

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us this is awesome I mean both of you

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are a hosts of my two most long-listened

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UFO podcasts by far so it's kind of wild

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sitting with both y'all and talking but

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yeah I mean me and Rob connected via

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Instagram and just kind of talking to

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each other and Rob would send me these

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amazing cases that he would have these

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just like absurd either experiencer uh

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drawings and cartoons too or these

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unknown artists that I'd never heard of

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and there's just so much like amazing uh

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art revolving around these cases already

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that I kind of really wanted to throw my

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hat in the ring and revitalizing some of

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these stories and and I I don't even

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remember who asked to but me and Rob

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just kind of decided to start picking

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out some cases which I left completely

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up to Rob so I'll let him speak to how

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the cases are selected and then uh yeah

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I just kind of he sends me a script and

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I get to do my thing over the first part

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of the month and it's been beautiful

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awesome yeah Rob how did uh how did you

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decide which cases you'd cover in this

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thing which which of these you'd bring

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so when I a lot of the time when I'm

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looking at you know cases for the comic

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um you know the cases that I've covered

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and like what would really make stunning

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visuals for a lot of these things and

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in in some cases there are no sketches

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at all associated with them uh like in

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our second issue on the uh Dan duggleby

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encounter but like

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um a lot of it just came from covering

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cases on outer strange skies and and

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just thinking wow this would be amazing

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if it had this kind of Second Life as a

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comic uh and peop more people were

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exposed to these you know wild looking

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cases that are really the high

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strangestness the high strange or the

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high strangeness like they are the

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weirdest cases that I can find and

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pretty much every single one of them

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I've covered on the podcast uh there's

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one that I covered in a bonus episode

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um but every single one I've covered So

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of the research I'll think of something

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type out a script it'd usually take me

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you know like an hour or two and then

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uh send it on over to Todd in this

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Google uh doc folder that we share and

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he takes it from there and and turns it

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into the magic that uh you all see now

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spins it into gold I don't know I know

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um well Todd I gotta ask you man um in

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terms of Art and whatnot for these

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um what are some of your favorite Comics

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that kind of inspired the style for this

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I love the IDE like the aesthetic of it

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it's got like that really 60 70s contact

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that you feel to it but um yeah are

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there any like big Inspirations for how

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you decided to approach this

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artistically totally so I I really

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wanted to do it in a little bit of a

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different style than I normally work in

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with like my daily drawings or my daily

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cartoons I wanted to keep the kind of

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Whimsy and fun that I have in the

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drawings that I aspire to have I should

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say and I wanted to combine it with that

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more traditional like 50 60s comic style

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that a lot of the artwork that inspired

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me uh that Rob shared with me from the

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different UFO journals and these uh

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different scenes from the 70s and stuff

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been my favorite from Wally Wood to Jack

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Davis to these guys that have some of

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the most expressive lines and Visually

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Styles as much as I'd like to but uh I I

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like to try and take what they do as far

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as movement and kind of bringing all

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these each thing to life in a different

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way and really approach these the things

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with a bit of fun to it and having just

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having fun with the whole thing so yeah

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of the Sci-Fi Comics era is where I've

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really kind of dug into for inspirations

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nice yeah and you could definitely feel

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it in this first uh this first one that

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we're looking at and guys if you're just

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listening to this episode I would highly

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suggest watching the YouTube version

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because we have all the visuals from

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welcome UFO people up here tonight we're

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going to be referencing it so this is

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definitely a YouTube version

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um for those who usually listen so head

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on over to YouTube and watch this right

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um well I guess my next question is

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how Rob how do you decide you know these

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cases are so complex sometimes there's

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so much to them and like I know for you

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and me when we try to cover these things

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it could take hours to try to get

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through an entire case but here you guys

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are doing one page for each of these

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um easily digestible for someone who

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just wants like kind of the cliff notes

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version I guess is kind of how I looked

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at it but um how do you decide what you

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want to actually be included in each of

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these without you know unfortunately

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sacrificing a lot of stuff I would

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imagine

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it's hard and I see it as a challenge

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every single time stepping up and saying

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we've got five panels to make this

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happen how can we tell the story in five

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panels that makes it compelling and

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tells a complete story and uh you know

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in my head that uh I'd want to do that

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are are tough uh like the Herbert

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shurmer account I it's tough to do that

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because there's so much to it uh and

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it's such a wonderful story that when

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you cut things out it just it loses some

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of its muster but like with the with the

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space pancakes and Joe Simonton it's a

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short compact story that's easy enough

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to tell in which you know Joe Simonton

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he's about to sit down to breakfast

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here's a sound outside sees a UFO goes

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outside and there's a opening

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and he sees a guy and he's got a jug and

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he's looking for water and inside you

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know Joe sees that uh there's just

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another guy in there and he's grilling

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something on on some like smokeless

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Grill so you know he uh he goes he he

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fetches the water and he comes back and

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he's basically asks hey can I have some

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you know he like gestures to him so uh

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you know like we really were able to

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distill it down into the basic elements

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but a lot of the time uh if I can find a

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story that

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um if you can like take a portion of it

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out of it uh and and really adapt it

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into something that gets across the

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point uh that's what I try to do and uh

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so far we we've been able to do that um

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the it's just I I will run through my

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head and say well you know what what's

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what have I covered that will make a

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good comic what what can we do that's

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brief and every every single one of them

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I think we've uh we've done a good job

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of telling a complete enough story to

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where uh anybody who wants to check

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these out they're they're not going to

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be lost they're and you know they may

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even want to go and track down some of

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the sources that um uh you know these

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were pulled from and like one of the

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big things that attracts me to the

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stories that I put in there are the

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sketches that I find and a lot of them

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are just like absolutely fantastic uh

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and like uh just thinking like how would

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Todd do this and I'll take that image

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I'll put it in the dock and I just can't

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wait to see how Todd's going to do it

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and like every single comic has been

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that way so far and every single one has

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has just been fantastic

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nice nice yeah I I love you could tell

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you guys work well together because it

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just it comes together so easily there's

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some Comics that you see where you can

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just tell there's some sort of there's

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something there's a wall between the

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writer and the artist and they just

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don't seem to mesh but this just comes

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together so well and I know we showed

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the um the Simonton one let me get this

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back in on the screen here this is one

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of my all-time favorite cases

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um you covered most of it Rob uh so

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we'll leave we'll leave that up for the

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listeners to continue researching the uh

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assignments in case because it's one of

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my personal favorites but um I do want

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to kind of just run through all of these

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with you guys if that's cool

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um and then yeah yeah so let's move to

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this one right here this one happened in

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the um the Canary Islands in Spain I

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believe is this the 1976 one

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um would you guys mind uh telling us a

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little about this game and uh maybe why

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you decided to cover this one

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so for me the biggest visual that you

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see on there is that bubble with the

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aliens inside of it and that is

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verbatim a piece of art that exists on

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the internet that is associated with

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this case so I covered this case uh

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probably back in September August

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somewhere around there and it's such a

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fascinating case because it involves the

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military uh the military sees a light

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over the Canary Islands it's uh over by

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a different uh there's like a battleship

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over by a different Island and they just

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watch this thing and they believe at

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first that it is like a submarine

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shooting you know missiles into the air

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or something like that and then you find

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out there's another portion of this

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story and the story involves a professor

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and another passenger in a taxi cab and

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they get close to this thing uh like

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they get a really good view probably

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less than 100 feet away from it and they

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see this giant bubble and they see these

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giant humanoids inside everything is

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large

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inside that craft and uh they eventually

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everybody including the taxi cab driver

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they all flee to a neighbor's house and

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they just watch this thing depart and

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like the story is so

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like it's terrifying but it is also like

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captivating and like the visual

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Aesthetics like it just uh because the

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visual Aesthetics are so like arresting

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like it just made for the perfect comic

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this is this is one of my favorites

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nice Todd what about where where does

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this one lay in your your Pantheon so

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far yeah

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this is one that I didn't really know

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much about at all until Rob sent me the

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script and what I do when Rob sends me

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those scripts is I scroll straight down

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to the last page where he usually

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includes the witness sketches or

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anything that is like a little reference

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for me and when I see that that's

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usually what I start with when I see the

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reference point and they're just so I

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love

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um aesthetic patterns and there are so

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many aesthetic patterns that I can kind

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of pinpoint already from things starting

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out as colorful lights in the sky and

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then transforming to more of these

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physical crafts and like bubbles seem to

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be one of these aesthetic patterns that

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I'm really digging and this was a great

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way to like really personify that and

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when Rob sends me these scripts I love

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how he's broken down these encounters so

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that when you read the panel

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descriptions it's just you can picture

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it so clearly in your mind and that's

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why I spend a little bit more time kind

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of doing the page layout than even the

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rendering of the actual artwork so I

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really wanted to kind of flow in that

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way that he's broken broken down the

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page but still have a little bit more uh

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interest to it all because it is a

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really short contained story so I wanted

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to be visually interesting but I wanted

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to read really well so that's kind of

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the technical side that I think of and

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this one was really hard for that like

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this one was one like I don't draw

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battleships or like military stuff like

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I don't that's not like my

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my daily so like getting those things

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down was really fun and it also made

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this story stick in my brain more

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because of how much work that stuff put

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into it but like getting to the part

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where I get to do the bubble craft and

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the entities is almost like the icing on

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the cake like that's that I saved that I

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start with the sketch of that but I save

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the finished part for the end because

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it's my favorite it's just so much fun

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to get really weird with it and I try to

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make sure all of these are um not

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portrayed in like a scary way or a way

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that has a lot of fear associated with

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them I've been very conscious of trying

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to present some of these different cases

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and paranormal ideas and things in a

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more positive light because I think

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there's a benefit in the long term of

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doing that and I like kind of adding

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that into the mythology of these things

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that we're covering absolutely like you

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know I I can't imagine doing a welcome

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UFO people of like Whitley Streeper you

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know what I mean once you get into like

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the 80s and 90s you're getting into that

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really scary alien abduction

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um time period but I think again since

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you guys are really really kind of right

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now at least in the contact e era and

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the the humanoid era um it does lend

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itself well I think to that idea of it

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I was gonna say Whitley's a great person

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to bring up in that regard because one

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of my favorite things that he's said is

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that if he had better science fiction

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growing up a more positive version of

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Science Fiction he doesn't think his

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experiences would have been as scary and

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as frightening as they are and I think

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there's some real truth to that uh Dr

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Jeffrey cites that all the time

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I believe it was in his book

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Supernatural that he did with Whitley

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and I love that because I think about

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that with my kids I'm trying to present

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them these ideas and these uh paranormal

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UFOs all these things that they are

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encountering in pop culture I'm trying

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to make sure that they're encountering

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the Curious side of it the side that

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makes you go oh man we live in a really

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like magical wonderful world that can

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enrich your life not the side of it that

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I was kind of brought up on where it's

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all scary or it's like Ghostbusters

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where you have to hunt the other and

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it's all antagonistic I'm trying to find

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a middle ground here where you know fear

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is a part of this and just like the

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definition of all it contains fear like

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all is inspiration and wonder with a

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part of fear so I think fear is a fine

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element of all of this but taking away

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that antagonistic kind of uh you know

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hunting and being initially afraid of

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something that's different and

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approaching it with a curiosity and kind

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of a wow stuff's really magical and

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weird

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yeah I mean I mean so far we've got

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aliens with pancakes and we've got

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bubble craft Rob only you could find a

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UFO that was just a straight up bubble I

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I knew I know you I knew you could do it

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um all right well let's move from one

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Island to another uh Keith's Island

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British Columbia this is another really

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interesting one that I actually had

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never heard of

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um Rob when did this case first come on

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your radar and yeah tell us a little

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about this one if you don't mind

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back in October

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um I had done this deep dive into

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Canadian UFO report which is fast become

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like my favorite UFO Journal because

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it's it's very down-homey kind of like

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uh very rustic in the way that it

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approaches investigation in these cases

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like oftentimes they include photos of

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the witnesses which you don't get in a

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lot of UFO journals so

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um there was this story from this woman

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named Bernice niblet and it's rare UFO

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journals when they devote page space

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specifically to Witnesses I've only ever

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seen it one other time like if the

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witness wasn't a a UFO investigator or

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anything like that and then uh the other

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case is uh Miriam's star she was given

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uh some space a flying saucer review she

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um she saw the uh Old Saybrook

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Blockheads which is uh this very strange

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case from 1957 in which uh Mary Starr

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she uh saw this weird

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UFO outside her bedroom window and she

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also saw these um

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weird beings on board and like uh

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they look kind of like a cross between

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like a Dalek with a square head on it

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with a red kind of orb in the middle of

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it it's a very strange case but uh with

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Bernice's case I think what was so

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interesting about it and covered it on

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the podcast is that

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it was so very personal to her like uh

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everything that she was seeing she

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basically moved to Keats Island and she

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winterized this cabin that uh she had

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moved into and before long she started

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having these Close Encounters like on a

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weekly basis almost and like these are

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strange crafts uh one of them is a

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barrel-shaped kind of craft and uh

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there's

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image that you see of Bernice looking up

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at that barrel-shaped object has taken

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her eight from Canadian UFO report Todd

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put his spin on it but uh the caption

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for that particular image said that the

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UFOs sounded like it was laughing so

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it's like okay this this is just like

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very very weird but she had like a lot

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of different sightings and like these

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things were very interactive with her

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and the only thing that you're not

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getting in this comic is that there are

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like Men In Black type of encounters

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that she has with

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um hydroman these kind of like uh

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Electrical Workers that uh you know

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inspect the lines and stuff like that

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um it didn't really detract from

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anything because it's kind of uh it's

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kind of it's strange in her account but

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like what you get right there is like

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the bulk of her like story and it's it's

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absolutely fantastic

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I love it um could you maybe run us

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through that last panel there I this I

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found really interesting you don't the

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only case that I really can think of

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that would connect or correlate to this

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is Ray Hernandez you know the guy who's

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come up with like these protocols and

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whatnot he recalls having like this orb

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in his actual home which you don't care

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about often um so apparently this

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happened to her as well

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yes yeah it did uh she uh she was

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basically sitting kind of bundled up uh

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in the cabin and she saw this orb kind

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of move into the room kind of fly around

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move around the kitchen and then it just

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kind of exited out and uh she at one

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point moved her bed like right in front

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of the window to like keep an eye on

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these things like she she was interested

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but she was terrified at the same time

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like uh it's it's interesting how she

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like boils down things into this human

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perspective that uh you know I can only

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imagine a woman who is largely alone on

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this island like Keats island is not

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very populated I think there's like 80

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people that live there now and there is

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uh I think like a Baptist camp or

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something like that on there but uh I

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like it's it's just

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the weird the weirdest of the weird like

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in in this small area this like hot spot

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that that just has this Myriad of

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activity that that she sees but yeah

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like that that's probably the strangest

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part of the entire thing is this

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she documents this one orb of light that

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just comes into the cabin and then uh

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eventually leaves

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man can you imagine like being one of 80

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people on an island and all this starts

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happening like talk about words

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spreading fast they probably they

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probably wanted her off at Island ASAP

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either either because she was crazy or

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it was about to become like a tourist

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attraction I don't know

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like she was very

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um she would try to engage people with

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it and they just kind of dismiss her

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like oh it's nothing don't even worry

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about it it's it's not even it's nothing

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worth worrying about so like she kept

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going through this over and over again

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talking to police who had uh boats in

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the harbor like patrolling and like they

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just would not take her seriously there

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was one that made an offhand comment

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it's like oh yeah it's nothing new it

543
00:23:13,250 --> 00:23:10,220
just happens

544
00:23:16,490 --> 00:23:13,260
yep sounds about right typical typical

545
00:23:19,070 --> 00:23:16,500
Keats Island BS as usual

546
00:23:21,409 --> 00:23:19,080
um well Todd I gotta ask you man like

547
00:23:24,289 --> 00:23:21,419
Rob mentioned you know there's often

548
00:23:26,630 --> 00:23:24,299
sketches of like the craft or or even

549
00:23:30,169 --> 00:23:26,640
the witness sometimes there's a photo or

550
00:23:32,630 --> 00:23:30,179
whatnot but like what is what is it like

551
00:23:35,390 --> 00:23:32,640
interpreting these crafts because like

552
00:23:37,130 --> 00:23:35,400
in the UFO world uh witness testimony

553
00:23:40,789 --> 00:23:37,140
like their description of a craft is

554
00:23:42,470 --> 00:23:40,799
like Bible you you you want to you want

555
00:23:44,690 --> 00:23:42,480
to like stick with that as as much as

556
00:23:46,130 --> 00:23:44,700
possible but also as an artist like you

557
00:23:47,930 --> 00:23:46,140
have to make it compelling you have to

558
00:23:49,789 --> 00:23:47,940
make it aesthetically pleasing you gotta

559
00:23:51,529 --> 00:23:49,799
kind of give it your own spin what what

560
00:23:53,990 --> 00:23:51,539
is that challenge like when it comes to

561
00:23:55,909 --> 00:23:54,000
like a witness saying it was this big

562
00:23:57,529 --> 00:23:55,919
this that this that

563
00:24:01,130 --> 00:23:57,539
um yes how do you how do you tackle

564
00:24:03,649 --> 00:24:01,140
something like that so I I try to stay

565
00:24:05,690 --> 00:24:03,659
pretty true in like Rob said if you

566
00:24:07,730 --> 00:24:05,700
looked at the image that the main image

567
00:24:09,529 --> 00:24:07,740
on this page the one that came from the

568
00:24:12,350 --> 00:24:09,539
Canadian UFO Journal like come

569
00:24:14,330 --> 00:24:12,360
compositionally structurally it's pretty

570
00:24:15,890 --> 00:24:14,340
dead on like I I try and stay pretty

571
00:24:17,090 --> 00:24:15,900
true to what is offered in those

572
00:24:18,890 --> 00:24:17,100
journals because I think there is

573
00:24:21,230 --> 00:24:18,900
something special to those drawings like

574
00:24:23,690 --> 00:24:21,240
there is like a big source of the

575
00:24:26,090 --> 00:24:23,700
inspiration and when I saw how much I

576
00:24:28,610 --> 00:24:26,100
love the connection between creativity

577
00:24:30,230 --> 00:24:28,620
and the weird whether it's UFOs or

578
00:24:33,770 --> 00:24:30,240
paranormal any of it I think there's a

579
00:24:36,470 --> 00:24:33,780
huge uh thread that connects the two and

580
00:24:38,990 --> 00:24:36,480
when I saw how many of these people had

581
00:24:41,930 --> 00:24:39,000
experienced these things are inspired to

582
00:24:43,850 --> 00:24:41,940
re-create the thing visually or how much

583
00:24:47,090 --> 00:24:43,860
the Aesthetics play into their

584
00:24:48,710 --> 00:24:47,100
experience it made it inspired me to

585
00:24:50,570 --> 00:24:48,720
keep it pretty true to what they're

586
00:24:52,730 --> 00:24:50,580
putting out there because I think that's

587
00:24:55,430 --> 00:24:52,740
important so really the biggest thing I

588
00:24:56,990 --> 00:24:55,440
try to do is I try to change up the

589
00:24:58,490 --> 00:24:57,000
color palette to make it a little bit

590
00:25:01,970 --> 00:24:58,500
more fun and a little bit more

591
00:25:03,830 --> 00:25:01,980
imaginative and loosen up the reality of

592
00:25:05,810 --> 00:25:03,840
it all I feel like if I can kind of

593
00:25:08,090 --> 00:25:05,820
loosen up the color palette and make it

594
00:25:10,190 --> 00:25:08,100
so that there's a little bit more of a

595
00:25:11,870 --> 00:25:10,200
dreamy feel to the whole thing thing it

596
00:25:13,730 --> 00:25:11,880
makes a reality for these things to

597
00:25:15,770 --> 00:25:13,740
exist in a little better if that makes

598
00:25:17,870 --> 00:25:15,780
sense but yeah in general I try to stay

599
00:25:19,430 --> 00:25:17,880
pretty true to what they're creating and

600
00:25:21,830 --> 00:25:19,440
this one was another one that I had

601
00:25:23,990 --> 00:25:21,840
never heard of before until Rob sent it

602
00:25:25,370 --> 00:25:24,000
to me and the island thing is super

603
00:25:27,590 --> 00:25:25,380
interesting I definitely think there's

604
00:25:31,010 --> 00:25:27,600
something to isolation and these events

605
00:25:32,390 --> 00:25:31,020
I know uh Rob not to maybe a spoiler

606
00:25:34,190 --> 00:25:32,400
alert here but I know Rob's been looking

607
00:25:36,470 --> 00:25:34,200
into Jeff the Mongoose which is another

608
00:25:40,990 --> 00:25:36,480
one of my favorite island uh weirdness

609
00:25:43,850 --> 00:25:41,000
things island of man is that right Rob

610
00:25:46,010 --> 00:25:43,860
oh man yeah so I love that there's like

611
00:25:47,690 --> 00:25:46,020
these little consistencies that go

612
00:25:50,149 --> 00:25:47,700
through these cases as we as we keep

613
00:25:51,950 --> 00:25:50,159
moving through them yep something with

614
00:25:54,230 --> 00:25:51,960
the water I'm telling you see there's

615
00:25:56,390 --> 00:25:54,240
something there absolutely there's

616
00:25:59,810 --> 00:25:56,400
something there all right guys let's

617
00:26:01,970 --> 00:25:59,820
move on to probably the man with the

618
00:26:04,810 --> 00:26:01,980
best last name I have ever heard in my

619
00:26:08,570 --> 00:26:04,820
entire life Dan duckleby

620
00:26:10,789 --> 00:26:08,580
uh what's going on here uh Rob give it

621
00:26:12,289 --> 00:26:10,799
to us man what is this case I've never

622
00:26:15,350 --> 00:26:12,299
heard of this one

623
00:26:18,230 --> 00:26:15,360
so uh one of the resources that I like

624
00:26:21,169 --> 00:26:18,240
to use when digging up kind of um

625
00:26:25,430 --> 00:26:21,179
humanoid encounters is uh the humanoid

626
00:26:28,490 --> 00:26:25,440
catalog that uh David Webb Ted blotcher

627
00:26:32,870 --> 00:26:28,500
um they kind of compiled it and um it's

628
00:26:34,970 --> 00:26:32,880
uh contained on kufos's website and when

629
00:26:37,250 --> 00:26:34,980
you open them up there are these long

630
00:26:40,430 --> 00:26:37,260
PDF documents and they look like

631
00:26:41,630 --> 00:26:40,440
pictures of basically like index cards

632
00:26:43,990 --> 00:26:41,640
so

633
00:26:46,010 --> 00:26:44,000
I opened up the one for I think this was

634
00:26:49,430 --> 00:26:46,020
1965 because I was looking for

635
00:26:51,049 --> 00:26:49,440
supplementary material for a series I

636
00:26:54,710 --> 00:26:51,059
did on all the weird stuff that happened

637
00:26:57,950 --> 00:26:54,720
in the United States in 65 to 67 and

638
00:27:01,010 --> 00:26:57,960
this case just kind of stuck out uh well

639
00:27:03,230 --> 00:27:01,020
for one it said that it came from FBI

640
00:27:06,529 --> 00:27:03,240
Files okay

641
00:27:08,810 --> 00:27:06,539
um that's just absolutely weird two that

642
00:27:09,769 --> 00:27:08,820
name Dan Double B does stick out but

643
00:27:12,890 --> 00:27:09,779
like

644
00:27:15,470 --> 00:27:12,900
dudes out in Bozeman Montana hunting and

645
00:27:17,450 --> 00:27:15,480
he hears a weird sound looks over and he

646
00:27:20,149 --> 00:27:17,460
sees this like rocket sitting on the

647
00:27:23,930 --> 00:27:20,159
ground this tall rocket and these robots

648
00:27:26,390 --> 00:27:23,940
get out they've got forearms they're uh

649
00:27:27,169 --> 00:27:26,400
going around collecting samples and I'm

650
00:27:29,210 --> 00:27:27,179
like

651
00:27:32,570 --> 00:27:29,220
it's a crime that nobody has ever

652
00:27:34,490 --> 00:27:32,580
Illustrated this I'm like that was the

653
00:27:35,930 --> 00:27:34,500
one thing that I thought of like nobody

654
00:27:38,990 --> 00:27:35,940
knows about this case I think it'd be

655
00:27:41,390 --> 00:27:39,000
like for a great welcome UFO people so I

656
00:27:43,970 --> 00:27:41,400
wrote out the script this is uh this is

657
00:27:46,730 --> 00:27:43,980
the second installment of the comic and

658
00:27:49,310 --> 00:27:46,740
I knew Todd would put his like just

659
00:27:51,710 --> 00:27:49,320
absolute perfect spin on it because like

660
00:27:54,529 --> 00:27:51,720
you know all these robots are happy

661
00:27:56,510 --> 00:27:54,539
they're collecting flowers and air and

662
00:27:58,190 --> 00:27:56,520
like so many samples and then you got a

663
00:27:59,510 --> 00:27:58,200
supervisor in the back who's just like

664
00:28:01,610 --> 00:27:59,520
happy with all the progress and stuff

665
00:28:03,950 --> 00:28:01,620
like that then like this is like the

666
00:28:05,990 --> 00:28:03,960
perfect amalgamation of what we do and

667
00:28:09,649 --> 00:28:06,000
like uh you know finding these like

668
00:28:11,450 --> 00:28:09,659
really odd cases that I know Todd it's

669
00:28:15,289 --> 00:28:11,460
right up Todd's alley and that he can

670
00:28:16,610 --> 00:28:15,299
like turn into and make uniquely his and

671
00:28:18,970 --> 00:28:16,620
that's and that's what he did with this

672
00:28:22,730 --> 00:28:18,980
and that's it's one of my favorites

673
00:28:25,250 --> 00:28:22,740
it's so warm like when I when I looked

674
00:28:28,130 --> 00:28:25,260
at this one it just immediately my heart

675
00:28:31,370 --> 00:28:28,140
felt fuzzy especially the last panel

676
00:28:33,110 --> 00:28:31,380
there um Todd yeah man like what what

677
00:28:36,230 --> 00:28:33,120
does this one mean to you I think this

678
00:28:39,590 --> 00:28:36,240
really like is a representation of that

679
00:28:41,890 --> 00:28:39,600
that kind of emotion that positive

680
00:28:44,450 --> 00:28:41,900
emotional impact you were going for

681
00:28:46,370 --> 00:28:44,460
absolutely this one was a bit different

682
00:28:48,470 --> 00:28:46,380
again never heard of it until Rob sent

683
00:28:50,390 --> 00:28:48,480
it to me and since it didn't really have

684
00:28:53,690 --> 00:28:50,400
any visuals with it I could really kind

685
00:28:55,730 --> 00:28:53,700
of lean into doing it and like go Whole

686
00:28:58,130 --> 00:28:55,740
Hog with the Wonder and The Whimsy and

687
00:29:00,169 --> 00:28:58,140
the really have fun with it and what I I

688
00:29:02,090 --> 00:29:00,179
do love to share this stuff like I work

689
00:29:04,010 --> 00:29:02,100
on this stuff I have two kids and I'm on

690
00:29:05,990 --> 00:29:04,020
the couch strolling with them a lot of

691
00:29:08,149 --> 00:29:06,000
the times on this stuff because this is

692
00:29:10,549 --> 00:29:08,159
the stuff I do after the stuff I get

693
00:29:12,289 --> 00:29:10,559
paid to draw so I'm doing it like around

694
00:29:13,549 --> 00:29:12,299
the family a lot I never want to have

695
00:29:15,470 --> 00:29:13,559
something that I've been like no don't

696
00:29:17,090 --> 00:29:15,480
look at this or like you know so I'm

697
00:29:18,470 --> 00:29:17,100
constantly showing my kids what I'm

698
00:29:20,690 --> 00:29:18,480
working on and this was one of those

699
00:29:22,610 --> 00:29:20,700
ones that like as soon as I finish the

700
00:29:24,289 --> 00:29:22,620
bottom panel my six-year-old came

701
00:29:26,149 --> 00:29:24,299
running over I was like what is that

702
00:29:28,730 --> 00:29:26,159
like I want this and he's really into

703
00:29:30,830 --> 00:29:28,740
robots and space right now and he's a

704
00:29:33,110 --> 00:29:30,840
very he's a huge source of inspiration

705
00:29:35,330 --> 00:29:33,120
and weirdness for me but uh yeah this

706
00:29:36,830 --> 00:29:35,340
one was the one that helped solidify

707
00:29:39,830 --> 00:29:36,840
that whole idea that I've been working

708
00:29:42,649 --> 00:29:39,840
on as far as how to present a kind of

709
00:29:45,049 --> 00:29:42,659
positive paranormal primer to my kids

710
00:29:46,430 --> 00:29:45,059
and like it's really it was like Rob

711
00:29:48,289 --> 00:29:46,440
said the second one and kind of

712
00:29:49,850 --> 00:29:48,299
solidified that that's a big part of

713
00:29:52,430 --> 00:29:49,860
what I want to do with these and what

714
00:29:55,310 --> 00:29:52,440
Rob's uh offering me by finding these

715
00:29:58,130 --> 00:29:55,320
like just kind of cases that mix that

716
00:30:00,409 --> 00:29:58,140
absurdity with that like uh you know

717
00:30:01,789 --> 00:30:00,419
physicality that's my favorite part of

718
00:30:04,610 --> 00:30:01,799
all these two it was like you know I

719
00:30:06,470 --> 00:30:04,620
definitely love the idea of a lot of

720
00:30:08,870 --> 00:30:06,480
this stuff having a psychic link and

721
00:30:11,210 --> 00:30:08,880
being something self-reflective about

722
00:30:12,649 --> 00:30:11,220
the experiencer and things like that but

723
00:30:14,389 --> 00:30:12,659
I also don't discount the physical

724
00:30:16,310 --> 00:30:14,399
elements of these things and something

725
00:30:18,409 --> 00:30:16,320
like this combines those two in the

726
00:30:20,510 --> 00:30:18,419
perfect way for me where you get to draw

727
00:30:22,370 --> 00:30:20,520
you know silly little robots collecting

728
00:30:23,649 --> 00:30:22,380
flowers because they need to collect

729
00:30:26,570 --> 00:30:23,659
pretty flowers

730
00:30:29,570 --> 00:30:26,580
right well and you know that goes back

731
00:30:33,710 --> 00:30:29,580
to the whole idea of you know these

732
00:30:35,690 --> 00:30:33,720
aliens or or robots uh sampling things I

733
00:30:38,450 --> 00:30:35,700
know rob you you're you're a big fan of

734
00:30:41,269 --> 00:30:38,460
the case in it's in New York right where

735
00:30:43,310 --> 00:30:41,279
the the New Jersey soil samples New

736
00:30:45,590 --> 00:30:43,320
Jersey New Jersey North Bergen New

737
00:30:49,010 --> 00:30:45,600
Jersey yeah the um the Stonehenge

738
00:30:53,029 --> 00:30:49,020
incident which uh is is is gonna come up

739
00:30:56,630 --> 00:30:53,039
I think it's next month's uh earlier

740
00:30:58,909 --> 00:30:56,640
right yeah yeah but uh you know all

741
00:31:03,169 --> 00:30:58,919
these you know George obarsky driving

742
00:31:05,090 --> 00:31:03,179
home from uh his job he worked uh he

743
00:31:06,889 --> 00:31:05,100
co-owned a liquor store and he was

744
00:31:09,889 --> 00:31:06,899
cutting through North Hudson Park which

745
00:31:11,450 --> 00:31:09,899
I think uh I think it's called the James

746
00:31:13,970 --> 00:31:11,460
J Braddock

747
00:31:14,630 --> 00:31:13,980
um North Hudson Park now but

748
00:31:18,310 --> 00:31:14,640
um

749
00:31:20,750 --> 00:31:18,320
cuts through and he's paced by a UFO and

750
00:31:23,210 --> 00:31:20,760
UFO kind of pulls ahead of him and it

751
00:31:25,010 --> 00:31:23,220
stops in this field and he watches these

752
00:31:27,529 --> 00:31:25,020
10 beings get out and start collecting

753
00:31:29,210 --> 00:31:27,539
soil samples and yeah there are a lot of

754
00:31:33,710 --> 00:31:29,220
similarities and I'm like uh there's no

755
00:31:39,110 --> 00:31:36,769
again it would be a crime if he didn't

756
00:31:42,830 --> 00:31:39,120
um right ah Doug will be I love this

757
00:31:45,169 --> 00:31:42,840
this one really really uh warms my heart

758
00:31:46,730 --> 00:31:45,179
on a frigid day in Scotland

759
00:31:49,730 --> 00:31:46,740
um

760
00:31:51,950 --> 00:31:49,740
to this one guys this one's a little uh

761
00:31:55,190 --> 00:31:51,960
not scary but we're definitely getting

762
00:31:58,070 --> 00:31:55,200
into more close encount really close

763
00:32:00,529 --> 00:31:58,080
encounter and possible abduction

764
00:32:03,250 --> 00:32:00,539
um territory uh and this is the case of

765
00:32:06,889 --> 00:32:03,260
hollow katano I believe

766
00:32:08,810 --> 00:32:06,899
1971. am I reading that right yeah yeah

767
00:32:11,690 --> 00:32:08,820
who wants yeah

768
00:32:13,549 --> 00:32:11,700
Apollo he's uh he's an interesting guy

769
00:32:16,310 --> 00:32:13,559
and like you kind of got to take what he

770
00:32:17,990 --> 00:32:16,320
says with uh you know a grain of salt

771
00:32:21,350 --> 00:32:18,000
but

772
00:32:23,330 --> 00:32:21,360
um he claims that in 1971 he was just

773
00:32:25,669 --> 00:32:23,340
driving home he was kind of harassed by

774
00:32:27,769 --> 00:32:25,679
this UFO and it followed him for a while

775
00:32:29,870 --> 00:32:27,779
until it just like cut off his car in

776
00:32:32,090 --> 00:32:29,880
the middle of the road and it's a tiny

777
00:32:33,289 --> 00:32:32,100
UFO it's not more than a few feet in

778
00:32:36,049 --> 00:32:33,299
diameter

779
00:32:37,909 --> 00:32:36,059
um and these really short beings less

780
00:32:40,490 --> 00:32:37,919
than a foot tall get out and they walk

781
00:32:43,370 --> 00:32:40,500
over to his car and they use like

782
00:32:45,529 --> 00:32:43,380
um uh telekinesis to open his uh

783
00:32:49,310 --> 00:32:45,539
driver's side door and they escort him

784
00:32:52,010 --> 00:32:49,320
inside like we're talking like a tardis

785
00:32:54,830 --> 00:32:52,020
kind of situation here where you know

786
00:32:56,570 --> 00:32:54,840
he's like somehow inside this object and

787
00:32:58,549 --> 00:32:56,580
one of the most arresting images with

788
00:33:01,010 --> 00:32:58,559
this case when you look it up

789
00:33:03,529 --> 00:33:01,020
um it's in uh Flying Saucer review and

790
00:33:06,470 --> 00:33:03,539
one of their special issues but uh the

791
00:33:09,769 --> 00:33:06,480
the center image on the bottom there is

792
00:33:13,389 --> 00:33:09,779
lifted directly from the case files like

793
00:33:17,210 --> 00:33:13,399
there's a bare bone sketch of Apollo

794
00:33:19,370 --> 00:33:17,220
standing underneath this light that you

795
00:33:20,750 --> 00:33:19,380
know is above him and there's this plank

796
00:33:22,610 --> 00:33:20,760
and there's this like little being

797
00:33:24,110 --> 00:33:22,620
walking across it and it's like it's one

798
00:33:26,509 --> 00:33:24,120
of the most Whimsical things that you

799
00:33:29,930 --> 00:33:26,519
can see and I'm like there's no way that

800
00:33:31,850 --> 00:33:29,940
we're not like doing that so I included

801
00:33:33,950 --> 00:33:31,860
that and I I love Todd's version of it

802
00:33:35,570 --> 00:33:33,960
because he talks about like uh you know

803
00:33:37,310 --> 00:33:35,580
I was in the space and I was seeing

804
00:33:38,690 --> 00:33:37,320
movement and I was seeing color come

805
00:33:40,549 --> 00:33:38,700
down at me

806
00:33:41,690 --> 00:33:40,559
and eventually he wakes up next to his

807
00:33:43,430 --> 00:33:41,700
car

808
00:33:46,070 --> 00:33:43,440
um and he claimed to have further

809
00:33:49,009 --> 00:33:46,080
contacts with other beings uh this was a

810
00:33:51,649 --> 00:33:49,019
case that I covered uh yeah back in like

811
00:33:55,190 --> 00:33:51,659
uh August I think it was and it and it's

812
00:33:58,130 --> 00:33:55,200
just so it's so strange uh just because

813
00:34:00,230 --> 00:33:58,140
of the proportions of these aliens and

814
00:34:03,649 --> 00:34:00,240
this craft and and stuff like that it's

815
00:34:06,470 --> 00:34:03,659
just so very strange and uh yeah it's

816
00:34:08,030 --> 00:34:06,480
just it made sense for the first uh

817
00:34:09,770 --> 00:34:08,040
welcome UFO people because I really

818
00:34:11,810 --> 00:34:09,780
wanted to see how Todd was going to do

819
00:34:13,010 --> 00:34:11,820
that one image and he knocked it out of

820
00:34:16,490 --> 00:34:13,020
the park

821
00:34:19,909 --> 00:34:16,500
so and this was the first one is that

822
00:34:22,010 --> 00:34:19,919
correct okay yep gotcha gotcha um so

823
00:34:24,470 --> 00:34:22,020
what was that like the first one coming

824
00:34:26,389 --> 00:34:24,480
together like what were you guys

825
00:34:28,310 --> 00:34:26,399
um what'd you think dear were you like

826
00:34:33,790 --> 00:34:28,320
oh yeah we got to keep going with this

827
00:34:39,530 --> 00:34:37,550
yeah from my end when I got to get going

828
00:34:41,510 --> 00:34:39,540
on this Rob had already pre-loaded like

829
00:34:44,089 --> 00:34:41,520
three or four scripts at the off the bat

830
00:34:47,089 --> 00:34:44,099
so I this was the first one I really got

831
00:34:49,310 --> 00:34:47,099
to dive into and I'd say like two panels

832
00:34:51,649 --> 00:34:49,320
in I was hooked I was like this is fun

833
00:34:53,810 --> 00:34:51,659
and I was still kind of formulating the

834
00:34:55,190 --> 00:34:53,820
aesthetic like I had a pretty good idea

835
00:34:57,349 --> 00:34:55,200
of what I wanted it to look like from

836
00:34:59,870 --> 00:34:57,359
the get-go but you can see the

837
00:35:02,030 --> 00:34:59,880
progression even just the previous one

838
00:35:03,770 --> 00:35:02,040
with the robots versus this one how I

839
00:35:05,930 --> 00:35:03,780
kind of already leaned into more

840
00:35:08,510 --> 00:35:05,940
colorful and brighter and less of the

841
00:35:10,670 --> 00:35:08,520
and less of the uh the darker tones but

842
00:35:12,109 --> 00:35:10,680
the thing that's been consistent is

843
00:35:16,190 --> 00:35:12,119
exactly what Rob said like I really

844
00:35:17,870 --> 00:35:16,200
focus on getting that like uh main image

845
00:35:19,910 --> 00:35:17,880
that's provided by these accounts he's

846
00:35:22,130 --> 00:35:19,920
finding and kind of putting my own spin

847
00:35:23,750 --> 00:35:22,140
on it while staying true and again I'm

848
00:35:25,250 --> 00:35:23,760
doing that a lot of the times via color

849
00:35:26,690 --> 00:35:25,260
because a lot of the accounts he's

850
00:35:28,069 --> 00:35:26,700
sending me are black and white sketches

851
00:35:30,950 --> 00:35:28,079
so that's where I can really kind of

852
00:35:33,290 --> 00:35:30,960
liven it up and that still remain true

853
00:35:35,150 --> 00:35:33,300
with what is being experienced and I

854
00:35:38,450 --> 00:35:35,160
mean anything with little folk I'm into

855
00:35:40,910 --> 00:35:38,460
I I love I I love the the small people

856
00:35:43,370 --> 00:35:40,920
that seem to or small beings that seem

857
00:35:45,670 --> 00:35:43,380
to pop up in all of these uh stories of

858
00:35:48,530 --> 00:35:45,680
the weird for all the cultures forever

859
00:35:51,410 --> 00:35:48,540
right yeah I mean tracing back to the

860
00:35:53,630 --> 00:35:51,420
whole you know Magonia sort of feeling

861
00:35:56,030 --> 00:35:53,640
and a lot of this stuff like

862
00:35:58,370 --> 00:35:56,040
going back to like the days of the

863
00:36:00,349 --> 00:35:58,380
fairies and the Fey folk and and you

864
00:36:02,750 --> 00:36:00,359
really do see a lot of that in these

865
00:36:05,990 --> 00:36:02,760
humanoid cases and whatnot it's

866
00:36:08,210 --> 00:36:06,000
fascinating and um yeah yeah this one

867
00:36:10,370 --> 00:36:08,220
you you you're right now that I now that

868
00:36:12,530 --> 00:36:10,380
I know this was the first one you can

869
00:36:15,589 --> 00:36:12,540
definitely see you leaning more into the

870
00:36:17,930 --> 00:36:15,599
uh the colorful aspects um and and

871
00:36:20,270 --> 00:36:17,940
that's no more true than with the next

872
00:36:22,670 --> 00:36:20,280
one no the Simonton case the pancake

873
00:36:25,609 --> 00:36:22,680
case is one of my favorite UFO cases but

874
00:36:28,849 --> 00:36:25,619
the next one you guys did is by far my

875
00:36:32,390 --> 00:36:28,859
favorite welcome UFO people with the

876
00:36:38,530 --> 00:36:32,400
space Penguins what the heck is going on

877
00:36:43,970 --> 00:36:41,270
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somewhere Skies

889
00:37:19,750 --> 00:37:14,880
[Music]

890
00:37:24,050 --> 00:37:21,490
Missouri

891
00:37:26,569 --> 00:37:24,060
1967 Claude Edwards it's it's

892
00:37:28,670 --> 00:37:26,579
Valentine's Day He heads out like he

893
00:37:31,730 --> 00:37:28,680
normally does it's a cold Valentine's

894
00:37:33,890 --> 00:37:31,740
Day in Missouri and he heads outside and

895
00:37:36,770 --> 00:37:33,900
he notices that his cows are all staring

896
00:37:38,030 --> 00:37:36,780
in the same direction so he finds that

897
00:37:40,970 --> 00:37:38,040
kind of weird and he looks in the same

898
00:37:43,910 --> 00:37:40,980
direction and he sees this it's a like a

899
00:37:46,490 --> 00:37:43,920
mushroom-shaped object and and I love

900
00:37:48,410 --> 00:37:46,500
Todd's interpretation of it uh the way

901
00:37:50,210 --> 00:37:48,420
that he did it and

902
00:37:52,490 --> 00:37:50,220
um he sees that underneath this there

903
00:37:54,349 --> 00:37:52,500
are these green beings just kind of like

904
00:37:56,270 --> 00:37:54,359
shuffling around underneath the thing

905
00:37:58,490 --> 00:37:56,280
and like the cows are looking but

906
00:38:00,770 --> 00:37:58,500
they're not really startled but Claude

907
00:38:03,170 --> 00:38:00,780
decides to go over and he's gonna start

908
00:38:04,790 --> 00:38:03,180
pelting these beings with rocks but uh

909
00:38:07,069 --> 00:38:04,800
when he does he finds that there's like

910
00:38:09,410 --> 00:38:07,079
a force field or something uh blocking

911
00:38:11,390 --> 00:38:09,420
him and these beings just like all

912
00:38:13,849 --> 00:38:11,400
disappear inside the object lifts off

913
00:38:17,390 --> 00:38:13,859
but it's it's one of those like weird

914
00:38:20,089 --> 00:38:17,400
Whimsical kind of uh encounters from a

915
00:38:22,609 --> 00:38:20,099
Down to Earth farmer that uh

916
00:38:24,050 --> 00:38:22,619
this is uh this is a Ted Phillips case

917
00:38:27,349 --> 00:38:24,060
it's it's one of my favorite Ted

918
00:38:29,569 --> 00:38:27,359
Phillips cases because uh he he uh like

919
00:38:32,270 --> 00:38:29,579
to investigate uh cases with the

920
00:38:34,069 --> 00:38:32,280
physical traces and stuff and uh he

921
00:38:36,290 --> 00:38:34,079
wrote a lot about this case in the uh

922
00:38:38,030 --> 00:38:36,300
mufon UFO journal and flying sauce

923
00:38:40,609 --> 00:38:38,040
review and stuff like this case

924
00:38:43,430 --> 00:38:40,619
perpetually kept up for uh kept coming

925
00:38:46,310 --> 00:38:43,440
up for him uh it wasn't until I think

926
00:38:49,609 --> 00:38:46,320
like the last 20 or 30 years that uh

927
00:38:52,069 --> 00:38:49,619
they finally decided to uh release his

928
00:38:54,710 --> 00:38:52,079
name Claude Edwards but uh yeah this is

929
00:38:57,470 --> 00:38:54,720
uh this is just like Whimsical as hell

930
00:38:59,089 --> 00:38:57,480
and and just uh you know the way I knew

931
00:39:01,130 --> 00:38:59,099
Todd was going to put a spin on it with

932
00:39:02,390 --> 00:39:01,140
these penguins in it it just turned out

933
00:39:05,690 --> 00:39:02,400
so great

934
00:39:09,109 --> 00:39:05,700
well and my what I love about this too

935
00:39:11,750 --> 00:39:09,119
is the fact that like the first reaction

936
00:39:14,450 --> 00:39:11,760
this guy has is to just Chuck rocks at

937
00:39:16,430 --> 00:39:14,460
it I love that I mean it makes perfect

938
00:39:18,109 --> 00:39:16,440
sense right it's like yo are you messing

939
00:39:21,710 --> 00:39:18,119
with my bread and butter my cows are

940
00:39:24,530 --> 00:39:21,720
like what I do for a living like it's my

941
00:39:25,430 --> 00:39:24,540
farm bro little space Penguins what are

942
00:39:28,250 --> 00:39:25,440
you doing

943
00:39:30,170 --> 00:39:28,260
um yeah yeah Todd give it to us man what

944
00:39:33,170 --> 00:39:30,180
was it like yeah I love that Whimsical

945
00:39:34,790 --> 00:39:33,180
panel of the cows in space there totally

946
00:39:36,710 --> 00:39:34,800
this was one of my favorites and one of

947
00:39:37,910 --> 00:39:36,720
the few that I knew before Rob sent it

948
00:39:39,650 --> 00:39:37,920
over I don't know if it was the

949
00:39:41,410 --> 00:39:39,660
Kryptonite dudes that I probably first

950
00:39:43,790 --> 00:39:41,420
heard it through through but there was

951
00:39:45,890 --> 00:39:43,800
I've heard this one before and it's

952
00:39:47,930 --> 00:39:45,900
always been one of my favorites and I

953
00:39:50,750 --> 00:39:47,940
mean the fact there's a mushroom-shaped

954
00:39:53,270 --> 00:39:50,760
UFO and penguins getting out of it there

955
00:39:55,430 --> 00:39:53,280
was just so much fun to be had I I love

956
00:39:57,770 --> 00:39:55,440
the idea and the link with psychedelia

957
00:40:00,770 --> 00:39:57,780
and all these experiences so the fact I

958
00:40:02,870 --> 00:40:00,780
that they arrive in a very psychedelic

959
00:40:04,370 --> 00:40:02,880
symbols was beautiful and I I just

960
00:40:05,930 --> 00:40:04,380
thought was the coolest things I really

961
00:40:08,569 --> 00:40:05,940
wanted to kind of emphasize that

962
00:40:11,030 --> 00:40:08,579
mushroom shape of the uh the UFO there

963
00:40:13,550 --> 00:40:11,040
and especially I I like kicking around

964
00:40:16,190 --> 00:40:13,560
the idea that uh you know with all the

965
00:40:18,650 --> 00:40:16,200
Psychedelic images that maybe these

966
00:40:20,150 --> 00:40:18,660
beings or entities or whatever you would

967
00:40:22,010 --> 00:40:20,160
like to call them are coming here to

968
00:40:24,589 --> 00:40:22,020
have their own psychedelic Journeys that

969
00:40:26,510 --> 00:40:24,599
uh they are they're receiving some sort

970
00:40:28,609 --> 00:40:26,520
of psychedelic interaction between their

971
00:40:29,990 --> 00:40:28,619
relationship with us and I think this is

972
00:40:32,390 --> 00:40:30,000
one of those ones that could totally be

973
00:40:34,970 --> 00:40:32,400
a bunch of penguin uh entities coming

974
00:40:39,170 --> 00:40:34,980
here to do a little tripping on the

975
00:40:41,089 --> 00:40:39,180
weekend with uh with Claude I love it I

976
00:40:44,870 --> 00:40:41,099
love it man it's just an Intergalactic

977
00:40:47,030 --> 00:40:44,880
vacation exactly that's all it is

978
00:40:49,750 --> 00:40:47,040
um yeah yeah yeah a couple party

979
00:40:56,870 --> 00:40:51,530
penguins

980
00:40:59,390 --> 00:40:56,880
cool I love it I love it well as of Mark

981
00:41:03,589 --> 00:40:59,400
uh yeah March 16th today you guys

982
00:41:04,910 --> 00:41:03,599
released a brand new welcome UFO people

983
00:41:07,910 --> 00:41:04,920
um so if you don't mind I'm gonna go

984
00:41:11,390 --> 00:41:07,920
ahead and share that one um that just

985
00:41:13,010 --> 00:41:11,400
dropped today uh again another case I've

986
00:41:15,950 --> 00:41:13,020
never heard of

987
00:41:19,010 --> 00:41:15,960
um Rob you're so good at this man Taurus

988
00:41:21,170 --> 00:41:19,020
Spain 1979.

989
00:41:24,950 --> 00:41:21,180
um tell us a little background on this

990
00:41:28,390 --> 00:41:24,960
case if you don't mind yeah so the this

991
00:41:33,050 --> 00:41:28,400
this guy uh was headed to his Vineyard

992
00:41:36,890 --> 00:41:33,060
uh and along the way he sees this giant

993
00:41:39,230 --> 00:41:36,900
egg sitting in the road it looks exactly

994
00:41:42,770 --> 00:41:39,240
like it looks like half an egg sitting

995
00:41:44,510 --> 00:41:42,780
on like three or four legs and

996
00:41:46,130 --> 00:41:44,520
he sits there and he watches it he's

997
00:41:48,170 --> 00:41:46,140
about to get out of his vehicle and

998
00:41:50,630 --> 00:41:48,180
before he does he sees these short

999
00:41:53,210 --> 00:41:50,640
little beings and they're running

1000
00:41:55,790 --> 00:41:53,220
towards this craft and they get in and

1001
00:41:59,210 --> 00:41:55,800
it eventually lifts off but this to me

1002
00:42:02,089 --> 00:41:59,220
is the the spiritual successor to the

1003
00:42:04,310 --> 00:42:02,099
space Penguins because these just these

1004
00:42:06,410 --> 00:42:04,320
are space chickens like this that's the

1005
00:42:08,510 --> 00:42:06,420
only explanation they're space chickens

1006
00:42:11,089 --> 00:42:08,520
they look like like I could see this

1007
00:42:13,730 --> 00:42:11,099
being like some kind of alien chicken

1008
00:42:15,589 --> 00:42:13,740
just like running towards a craft and

1009
00:42:18,170 --> 00:42:15,599
you know getting getting back in like

1010
00:42:22,069 --> 00:42:18,180
their egg craft like and it and it just

1011
00:42:25,550 --> 00:42:22,079
like it seems so symbolic in many ways

1012
00:42:27,710 --> 00:42:25,560
um just uh like in the in the

1013
00:42:29,690 --> 00:42:27,720
presentation the craft in the in the

1014
00:42:31,010 --> 00:42:29,700
beings because they there's just

1015
00:42:32,650 --> 00:42:31,020
something about them that just reminds

1016
00:42:35,750 --> 00:42:32,660
me of chickens so

1017
00:42:37,910 --> 00:42:35,760
like it it made for the perfect case for

1018
00:42:41,270 --> 00:42:37,920
Todd because I knew he was going to like

1019
00:42:43,910 --> 00:42:41,280
this just like screams Todd like all the

1020
00:42:45,770 --> 00:42:43,920
way so

1021
00:42:47,510 --> 00:42:45,780
when I pick out a case and I start

1022
00:42:49,250 --> 00:42:47,520
writing a script because I don't

1023
00:42:51,170 --> 00:42:49,260
technically know how to do that I had to

1024
00:42:53,150 --> 00:42:51,180
kind of figure out how to do it and even

1025
00:42:55,069 --> 00:42:53,160
now I don't do it

1026
00:42:57,109 --> 00:42:55,079
um you know the greatest but one of the

1027
00:42:58,910 --> 00:42:57,119
things that I'll do is uh I'll picture

1028
00:43:00,230 --> 00:42:58,920
in my head how I think Todd will do it

1029
00:43:04,010 --> 00:43:00,240
and then I'll

1030
00:43:06,050 --> 00:43:04,020
um I'll put my I'll try and describe it

1031
00:43:08,809 --> 00:43:06,060
as best I can I'll

1032
00:43:10,670 --> 00:43:08,819
um you know there will be

1033
00:43:13,010 --> 00:43:10,680
um the description and then the text to

1034
00:43:16,670 --> 00:43:13,020
go with it and you go down into the five

1035
00:43:19,250 --> 00:43:16,680
panels but uh yeah this this uh a lot of

1036
00:43:20,750 --> 00:43:19,260
the times uh I will pick things that I

1037
00:43:22,550 --> 00:43:20,760
just want to see what Todd's going to do

1038
00:43:26,089 --> 00:43:22,560
with them and uh he knocked this one

1039
00:43:31,250 --> 00:43:28,010
and to add to that man for the the most

1040
00:43:33,650 --> 00:43:31,260
recent welcome UFO people yeah the two

1041
00:43:35,870 --> 00:43:33,660
things that I loved I mean okay the

1042
00:43:38,510 --> 00:43:35,880
cosmic chicken is great I think that's a

1043
00:43:40,490 --> 00:43:38,520
very apt uh description of this entity

1044
00:43:42,710 --> 00:43:40,500
but I also love that the entity almost

1045
00:43:44,750 --> 00:43:42,720
mirrors the craft like that big Bell

1046
00:43:47,270 --> 00:43:44,760
shape so this was one of those ones

1047
00:43:49,430 --> 00:43:47,280
where the entities are really small in

1048
00:43:51,829 --> 00:43:49,440
the account and that we kind of have to

1049
00:43:54,349 --> 00:43:51,839
do like a zoom in panel so you can get

1050
00:43:56,809 --> 00:43:54,359
that the scale is super tiny but you can

1051
00:43:58,250 --> 00:43:56,819
still see kind of what the entity was

1052
00:44:00,890 --> 00:43:58,260
described to look at and I just loved

1053
00:44:03,109 --> 00:44:00,900
that when you zoom in they kind of uh

1054
00:44:04,910 --> 00:44:03,119
mimic the shape of their craft that they

1055
00:44:07,670 --> 00:44:04,920
arrived in and I also loved that this

1056
00:44:09,770 --> 00:44:07,680
was a daytime encounter I have a lot of

1057
00:44:11,690 --> 00:44:09,780
you know a lot of these are occurring at

1058
00:44:13,670 --> 00:44:11,700
night and have kind of more of the

1059
00:44:14,990 --> 00:44:13,680
evening setting going on and this one I

1060
00:44:17,390 --> 00:44:15,000
got to use a lot of the bright blue

1061
00:44:19,970 --> 00:44:17,400
skies and really emphasize that you know

1062
00:44:22,970 --> 00:44:19,980
this is a big colorful experience going

1063
00:44:25,309 --> 00:44:22,980
on and that stark white egg as a kind of

1064
00:44:28,010 --> 00:44:25,319
contrast of the whole thing

1065
00:44:30,770 --> 00:44:28,020
cool man I love it the Chicken and the

1066
00:44:34,010 --> 00:44:30,780
Egg I couldn't think of a better way to

1067
00:44:37,490 --> 00:44:34,020
um to kind of wrap up welcome UFO people

1068
00:44:40,069 --> 00:44:37,500
however that's not the only project you

1069
00:44:42,829 --> 00:44:40,079
guys are doing together you're also

1070
00:44:44,270 --> 00:44:42,839
starting another kind of um

1071
00:44:46,250 --> 00:44:44,280
um what would you call it like maybe a

1072
00:44:49,190 --> 00:44:46,260
companion to this and you're doing

1073
00:44:51,770 --> 00:44:49,200
portraits too now which is super super

1074
00:44:56,329 --> 00:44:51,780
cool and you you started with the one

1075
00:44:58,309 --> 00:44:56,339
and only George adamski so um tell us a

1076
00:45:00,770 --> 00:44:58,319
little about the portrait project what

1077
00:45:02,630 --> 00:45:00,780
who you guys going to be covering and uh

1078
00:45:05,450 --> 00:45:02,640
what made you decide to kind of do this

1079
00:45:07,309 --> 00:45:05,460
as well a lot of the the ideas that we

1080
00:45:09,410 --> 00:45:07,319
have will just start with me sending

1081
00:45:11,030 --> 00:45:09,420
images to Todd on Instagram I'll just

1082
00:45:14,450 --> 00:45:11,040
like spam them with a bunch of images

1083
00:45:17,270 --> 00:45:14,460
and I'd be like and and this was an idea

1084
00:45:21,410 --> 00:45:17,280
that came up like uh what if we did

1085
00:45:24,470 --> 00:45:21,420
these portraits with you know not only

1086
00:45:26,510 --> 00:45:24,480
um you know UFO Witnesses and the beings

1087
00:45:29,210 --> 00:45:26,520
that they interact with but like some of

1088
00:45:31,010 --> 00:45:29,220
the investigators and some of the weird

1089
00:45:32,510 --> 00:45:31,020
beings that they've investigated like

1090
00:45:34,790 --> 00:45:32,520
there's there's one that I definitely

1091
00:45:36,829 --> 00:45:34,800
want us to do at some point which is

1092
00:45:40,550 --> 00:45:36,839
Anne ruffle and Ann druffle was a

1093
00:45:43,550 --> 00:45:40,560
fantastic investigator she um I she was

1094
00:45:45,710 --> 00:45:43,560
always objective although she had a very

1095
00:45:47,809 --> 00:45:45,720
Catholic vent to the way that she

1096
00:45:50,390 --> 00:45:47,819
believed in things but she always

1097
00:45:53,089 --> 00:45:50,400
presented things objectively and the

1098
00:45:54,650 --> 00:45:53,099
thing about Aunt ruffle is that she it

1099
00:45:57,230 --> 00:45:54,660
didn't matter how weird the cases were

1100
00:45:59,329 --> 00:45:57,240
she would uh you know she would

1101
00:46:02,329 --> 00:45:59,339
investigate him and like one of the um

1102
00:46:05,390 --> 00:46:02,339
strangest is the Palos Verdes brains

1103
00:46:08,450 --> 00:46:05,400
case which uh you know is uh is is such

1104
00:46:11,210 --> 00:46:08,460
a weird case of these two guys who are

1105
00:46:14,690 --> 00:46:11,220
heading home from a friend's house in

1106
00:46:16,309 --> 00:46:14,700
California and uh they turn on their car

1107
00:46:18,170 --> 00:46:16,319
lights in the middle of the road there

1108
00:46:22,250 --> 00:46:18,180
is this brain it's just sitting there

1109
00:46:24,230 --> 00:46:22,260
and uh this brain basically tells the

1110
00:46:26,690 --> 00:46:24,240
driver hey drop your buddy off at home

1111
00:46:28,970 --> 00:46:26,700
we're gonna abduct you and they abducted

1112
00:46:32,630 --> 00:46:28,980
him and he's shown a bunch of stuff on

1113
00:46:34,910 --> 00:46:32,640
board this craft and his Outlook is very

1114
00:46:37,130 --> 00:46:34,920
it's very Bleak at the end of it but

1115
00:46:39,650 --> 00:46:37,140
it's just such a weird case investigated

1116
00:46:41,990 --> 00:46:39,660
by Andrew ruffle so it'd be great to do

1117
00:46:45,170 --> 00:46:42,000
a portrait with Anne ruffle and all

1118
00:46:47,390 --> 00:46:45,180
these weird aliens that she investigated

1119
00:46:48,530 --> 00:46:47,400
I almost spit my coffee out when you

1120
00:46:50,990 --> 00:46:48,540
said uh

1121
00:46:53,270 --> 00:46:51,000
the brain I'm thinking of crying from

1122
00:46:56,230 --> 00:46:53,280
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles basically

1123
00:46:59,329 --> 00:46:56,240
basically that's what it looks like and

1124
00:47:02,030 --> 00:46:59,339
this like large it's a large Brain it's

1125
00:47:04,730 --> 00:47:02,040
like it's oversized and it has this red

1126
00:47:07,670 --> 00:47:04,740
light on it and what he later finds out

1127
00:47:10,910 --> 00:47:07,680
uh the the experiencer in this case is

1128
00:47:12,650 --> 00:47:10,920
that the the red light is basically like

1129
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:12,660
a tumor because it's old and it's

1130
00:47:25,150 --> 00:47:15,850
getting close to retirement no no

1131
00:47:30,950 --> 00:47:28,550
also I love the effect of like yo go

1132
00:47:34,370 --> 00:47:30,960
drop your loser friend off we only need

1133
00:47:36,109 --> 00:47:34,380
one of you to yeah we just needs you and

1134
00:47:38,089 --> 00:47:36,119
you know don't like don't even worry

1135
00:47:39,710 --> 00:47:38,099
about it and like uh you know there are

1136
00:47:41,809 --> 00:47:39,720
other beings that he interacted with

1137
00:47:44,150 --> 00:47:41,819
like these like really tall beings with

1138
00:47:47,150 --> 00:47:44,160
like webbed hands and stuff it's it's a

1139
00:47:49,849 --> 00:47:47,160
it's just a very strange case and like

1140
00:47:50,809 --> 00:47:49,859
Ann ruffle investigate a lot of them she

1141
00:47:53,329 --> 00:47:50,819
um

1142
00:47:56,089 --> 00:47:53,339
uh investigated the Harrison Bailey case

1143
00:47:58,450 --> 00:47:56,099
which is uh he was an African-American

1144
00:48:00,530 --> 00:47:58,460
man who is one of the earliest uh

1145
00:48:06,530 --> 00:48:00,540
abductees if you want to call him that

1146
00:48:10,069 --> 00:48:06,540
uh he was abducted in 1951 and he was

1147
00:48:13,849 --> 00:48:10,079
abducted by beings that look like large

1148
00:48:16,730 --> 00:48:13,859
frogs in in many ways like uh

1149
00:48:18,829 --> 00:48:16,740
um kind of similar to uh you know your

1150
00:48:22,130 --> 00:48:18,839
Loveland Frog man in a way but like

1151
00:48:24,470 --> 00:48:22,140
holding these like big sticks and like

1152
00:48:27,950 --> 00:48:24,480
it'd just be great to to get a portrait

1153
00:48:30,130 --> 00:48:27,960
of Anne ruffle with all these aliens

1154
00:48:32,510 --> 00:48:30,140
all the various aliens she's

1155
00:48:34,550 --> 00:48:32,520
investigating that's interesting

1156
00:48:36,470 --> 00:48:34,560
wow man

1157
00:48:38,930 --> 00:48:36,480
um well okay so what made you guys want

1158
00:48:40,730 --> 00:48:38,940
to start with a damn ski here I guess

1159
00:48:43,130 --> 00:48:40,740
so I think it like

1160
00:48:44,870 --> 00:48:43,140
it made sense to start with adomski

1161
00:48:47,210 --> 00:48:44,880
because he's kind of

1162
00:48:49,670 --> 00:48:47,220
when you think about him he's kind of

1163
00:48:51,290 --> 00:48:49,680
the first guy that you go to when you

1164
00:48:53,870 --> 00:48:51,300
think of alien contact in the United

1165
00:48:56,690 --> 00:48:53,880
States is that you know it's George

1166
00:48:59,870 --> 00:48:56,700
adamski he you know interacted with

1167
00:49:03,650 --> 00:48:59,880
orthon and you know a bunch of other

1168
00:49:05,450 --> 00:49:03,660
people and uh they all looked human so

1169
00:49:08,329 --> 00:49:05,460
it kind of made sense like there are

1170
00:49:11,569 --> 00:49:08,339
there are a lot of earlier kind of

1171
00:49:13,069 --> 00:49:11,579
humanoid cases and like you know one of

1172
00:49:14,930 --> 00:49:13,079
the things that I'm working on right now

1173
00:49:16,970 --> 00:49:14,940
is outlining a book that I'm writing

1174
00:49:18,290 --> 00:49:16,980
about a lot of

1175
00:49:20,089 --> 00:49:18,300
um like humanoids throughout the years

1176
00:49:21,950 --> 00:49:20,099
because they're so interesting like you

1177
00:49:25,190 --> 00:49:21,960
know you there are a lot of strange

1178
00:49:28,130 --> 00:49:25,200
humanoid cases from the 40s that you

1179
00:49:31,730 --> 00:49:28,140
know I found in uh up through you know

1180
00:49:34,370 --> 00:49:31,740
the the 2000s so uh it only made sense

1181
00:49:37,309 --> 00:49:34,380
to start with Georgia domsky like he

1182
00:49:40,130 --> 00:49:37,319
seems in many ways uh for a lot of

1183
00:49:43,430 --> 00:49:40,140
people to be like Ground Zero because uh

1184
00:49:45,950 --> 00:49:43,440
in the United States it was as if you

1185
00:49:47,569 --> 00:49:45,960
know the the UFO showed up but the

1186
00:49:49,250 --> 00:49:47,579
aliens didn't show up till a little bit

1187
00:49:52,309 --> 00:49:49,260
later so

1188
00:49:53,510 --> 00:49:52,319
George adamski just made total sense you

1189
00:49:56,450 --> 00:49:53,520
know to start with

1190
00:49:57,950 --> 00:49:56,460
yeah absolutely he's like uh-uh we're

1191
00:50:00,050 --> 00:49:57,960
not just talking about the craft we're

1192
00:50:02,210 --> 00:50:00,060
we're talking about the pilots in the

1193
00:50:05,390 --> 00:50:02,220
correct and I mean what's more iconic

1194
00:50:08,630 --> 00:50:05,400
than you know the yadamski saucer to be

1195
00:50:11,329 --> 00:50:08,640
honest it's just like again it's just

1196
00:50:13,010 --> 00:50:11,339
when I see that image it just warms my

1197
00:50:15,589 --> 00:50:13,020
heart it brings me back to like the

1198
00:50:18,470 --> 00:50:15,599
early days of when I flipped open my

1199
00:50:21,109 --> 00:50:18,480
first book on UFOs and saw like in a

1200
00:50:24,710 --> 00:50:21,119
demsky crafter or even a billy Meyer

1201
00:50:27,829 --> 00:50:24,720
craft and that was ufology for me back

1202
00:50:31,430 --> 00:50:27,839
then and uh huh God I wish it was still

1203
00:50:33,829 --> 00:50:31,440
that way now now we've got Tic Tacs and

1204
00:50:37,370 --> 00:50:33,839
we've got Tic Tacs yeah flying pizza

1205
00:50:40,970 --> 00:50:37,380
slices and we've got um and we got orbs

1206
00:50:42,950 --> 00:50:40,980
we got orbs but um yeah yeah Todd I was

1207
00:50:45,609 --> 00:50:42,960
gonna say what was it like doing this oh

1208
00:50:49,130 --> 00:50:45,619
this was great I I think uh I really

1209
00:50:51,710 --> 00:50:49,140
resonated when your recent guests uh rpj

1210
00:50:53,450 --> 00:50:51,720
spoke about how the contact D's get a

1211
00:50:55,970 --> 00:50:53,460
little uh poo poo too fast these days

1212
00:50:57,710 --> 00:50:55,980
days and I I so I love starting with the

1213
00:50:59,690 --> 00:50:57,720
damn ski because I I think there's so

1214
00:51:01,609 --> 00:50:59,700
much value in the stories of some of

1215
00:51:04,010 --> 00:51:01,619
these contactees and I love the

1216
00:51:05,510 --> 00:51:04,020
amalgamation of the culture at that time

1217
00:51:07,370 --> 00:51:05,520
that the New Age movement was really

1218
00:51:09,290 --> 00:51:07,380
taking off and that this was almost a

1219
00:51:11,150 --> 00:51:09,300
precursor to the New Age movement in a

1220
00:51:13,549 --> 00:51:11,160
lot of ways and the messages are so

1221
00:51:15,290 --> 00:51:13,559
similar and like there's so much in

1222
00:51:19,130 --> 00:51:15,300
there that I think is still very

1223
00:51:20,990 --> 00:51:19,140
valuable and you can access the Life

1224
00:51:22,430 --> 00:51:21,000
Enrichment side of these things through

1225
00:51:24,349 --> 00:51:22,440
the stories of that a lot of the

1226
00:51:26,930 --> 00:51:24,359
contactees bring and so yeah I love

1227
00:51:29,030 --> 00:51:26,940
starting with the damn ski and I I was

1228
00:51:30,829 --> 00:51:29,040
going to say that I agree with what you

1229
00:51:33,470 --> 00:51:30,839
just said Ryan but it's nice to see like

1230
00:51:35,510 --> 00:51:33,480
what we're doing here is a way to kind

1231
00:51:37,250 --> 00:51:35,520
of bring back the fun of it all and

1232
00:51:39,170 --> 00:51:37,260
bring back the imagination of it and

1233
00:51:41,030 --> 00:51:39,180
like the series that you've been doing

1234
00:51:43,130 --> 00:51:41,040
recently like your episode with Fred and

1235
00:51:46,069 --> 00:51:43,140
rpj and those like those are the things

1236
00:51:48,109 --> 00:51:46,079
that will make the uh phenomenon or

1237
00:51:50,390 --> 00:51:48,119
whatever if it really is reflective

1238
00:51:51,950 --> 00:51:50,400
change and go back to these stories and

1239
00:51:53,450 --> 00:51:51,960
get away from the military and the Tic

1240
00:51:55,849 --> 00:51:53,460
Tac at least in my mind I think story

1241
00:51:57,950 --> 00:51:55,859
are way more powerful than any of that

1242
00:51:59,750 --> 00:51:57,960
other stuff so if we can keep telling

1243
00:52:02,030 --> 00:51:59,760
the side of the store this side of these

1244
00:52:04,790 --> 00:52:02,040
stories then I think it will go back to

1245
00:52:07,190 --> 00:52:04,800
that oh thanks man well and I think

1246
00:52:09,170 --> 00:52:07,200
that's um you know what Rob and I have

1247
00:52:12,530 --> 00:52:09,180
always had in common we find a lot of

1248
00:52:15,950 --> 00:52:12,540
value in stories while a lot of UFO

1249
00:52:17,569 --> 00:52:15,960
researchers do not um it's not data for

1250
00:52:19,790 --> 00:52:17,579
them it's not something they can hold in

1251
00:52:22,490 --> 00:52:19,800
their hand or you know that they can

1252
00:52:24,710 --> 00:52:22,500
really dissect from a nuts and bolts

1253
00:52:26,990 --> 00:52:24,720
sort of ufology and and I think that's

1254
00:52:29,510 --> 00:52:27,000
why Rob and I connected so early on is

1255
00:52:32,089 --> 00:52:29,520
we we realize that it's it's a lot more

1256
00:52:33,970 --> 00:52:32,099
about the stories and the people telling

1257
00:52:36,290 --> 00:52:33,980
them and that's what I've always found

1258
00:52:38,270 --> 00:52:36,300
fascinating and I think in the last few

1259
00:52:41,690 --> 00:52:38,280
years and I do want to get both of your

1260
00:52:45,109 --> 00:52:41,700
thoughts on this uh ufology has uh

1261
00:52:46,609 --> 00:52:45,119
changed uh for for some people

1262
00:52:48,410 --> 00:52:46,619
um you know I I know a lot of

1263
00:52:52,069 --> 00:52:48,420
researchers that have completely ignored

1264
00:52:53,809 --> 00:52:52,079
everything post 2017 ufology and I

1265
00:52:55,490 --> 00:52:53,819
greatly respect that

1266
00:52:58,370 --> 00:52:55,500
um I got caught somewhere in the middle

1267
00:53:00,890 --> 00:52:58,380
of it I would say and um I think I

1268
00:53:01,910 --> 00:53:00,900
reached that point where I'm at right

1269
00:53:05,569 --> 00:53:01,920
now

1270
00:53:08,690 --> 00:53:05,579
um where it's just I want to go back to

1271
00:53:11,390 --> 00:53:08,700
the reasons that I first got involved in

1272
00:53:14,569 --> 00:53:11,400
this topic I I saw something in the sky

1273
00:53:17,270 --> 00:53:14,579
I couldn't explain I sought answers for

1274
00:53:19,730 --> 00:53:17,280
it and then I found this entire world

1275
00:53:22,309 --> 00:53:19,740
that I didn't know was out there and

1276
00:53:24,890 --> 00:53:22,319
that's stories like this stuff far

1277
00:53:27,829 --> 00:53:24,900
weirder than just this triangular thing

1278
00:53:29,630 --> 00:53:27,839
I saw in the sky or you know this egg

1279
00:53:32,450 --> 00:53:29,640
that Rob saw

1280
00:53:34,970 --> 00:53:32,460
um not not to you know not to say that

1281
00:53:37,490 --> 00:53:34,980
our sightings weren't uh life-changing

1282
00:53:39,770 --> 00:53:37,500
because they were for us but um yeah

1283
00:53:42,170 --> 00:53:39,780
it's stuff like this stuff like a demsky

1284
00:53:44,750 --> 00:53:42,180
stuff like space Penguins stuff like

1285
00:53:48,290 --> 00:53:44,760
aliens giving you know someone pancakes

1286
00:53:52,190 --> 00:53:48,300
in exchange for water like that's that's

1287
00:53:54,650 --> 00:53:52,200
what you follow gee I think is it's the

1288
00:53:57,829 --> 00:53:54,660
absurdist nature of something we'll

1289
00:54:00,950 --> 00:53:57,839
probably never truly understand and if

1290
00:54:03,589 --> 00:54:00,960
we try to understand it that's when you

1291
00:54:06,049 --> 00:54:03,599
know it gets frustrating and and that's

1292
00:54:08,030 --> 00:54:06,059
when it gets boring and I think right

1293
00:54:10,910 --> 00:54:08,040
now in ufology and I know I'm going off

1294
00:54:14,089 --> 00:54:10,920
on a diatribe here I apologize but

1295
00:54:16,309 --> 00:54:14,099
um we're finding people people just want

1296
00:54:18,950 --> 00:54:16,319
answers and they want them from the

1297
00:54:21,109 --> 00:54:18,960
United States government uh the people

1298
00:54:23,990 --> 00:54:21,119
who they did not trust to give them

1299
00:54:26,690 --> 00:54:24,000
those answers for 70 plus years but then

1300
00:54:28,730 --> 00:54:26,700
now all of a sudden they are the go-to

1301
00:54:31,010 --> 00:54:28,740
for it and um

1302
00:54:33,829 --> 00:54:31,020
I don't know it's I'm in this weird

1303
00:54:36,890 --> 00:54:33,839
place in my own personal journey within

1304
00:54:39,410 --> 00:54:36,900
ufology where like I can have the Navy

1305
00:54:41,870 --> 00:54:39,420
Tic Tac pilot on one week and that I can

1306
00:54:44,630 --> 00:54:41,880
have someone on talking about the

1307
00:54:46,069 --> 00:54:44,640
Swedish Men In Black the next week

1308
00:54:48,589 --> 00:54:46,079
um but I think that's what's also

1309
00:54:51,589 --> 00:54:48,599
beautiful about this you you can kind of

1310
00:54:53,750 --> 00:54:51,599
explore it from all different angles but

1311
00:54:57,710 --> 00:54:53,760
for me personally I think

1312
00:55:01,190 --> 00:54:57,720
um it just got too bogged down with uh

1313
00:55:04,250 --> 00:55:01,200
with the Tic Tacs and the dods and the

1314
00:55:06,309 --> 00:55:04,260
Congressional hearings and and are we

1315
00:55:09,530 --> 00:55:06,319
any closer to answers

1316
00:55:12,230 --> 00:55:09,540
I would argue no

1317
00:55:14,930 --> 00:55:12,240
um so why not go back into the case

1318
00:55:16,670 --> 00:55:14,940
history like you guys are doing and

1319
00:55:19,549 --> 00:55:16,680
maybe we could find some answers there

1320
00:55:20,829 --> 00:55:19,559
so yeah that was my long-winded way of

1321
00:55:23,990 --> 00:55:20,839
saying I love you

1322
00:55:26,210 --> 00:55:24,000
I love what you guys are doing that was

1323
00:55:28,130 --> 00:55:26,220
beautiful no I I resonate with a lot of

1324
00:55:30,890 --> 00:55:28,140
that Ryan and it's really nice to hear

1325
00:55:32,630 --> 00:55:30,900
it to be honest and like there's a one

1326
00:55:35,569 --> 00:55:32,640
of the things that always surprised me

1327
00:55:38,870 --> 00:55:35,579
as I got farther into things like this

1328
00:55:41,870 --> 00:55:38,880
is how far back some of the weirder or

1329
00:55:44,630 --> 00:55:41,880
the non-physical ideas go like when you

1330
00:55:47,150 --> 00:55:44,640
uh start learning about Carl Jung's work

1331
00:55:49,130 --> 00:55:47,160
with UFOs and the idea that

1332
00:55:52,250 --> 00:55:49,140
I feel like it gets mistaken a lot

1333
00:55:54,710 --> 00:55:52,260
because these types of ideas where it is

1334
00:55:57,589 --> 00:55:54,720
more of a psychic object that is a

1335
00:55:59,809 --> 00:55:57,599
co-created phenomenon or how you know

1336
00:56:02,089 --> 00:55:59,819
young never discounted the physical

1337
00:56:04,790 --> 00:56:02,099
aspect of these encounters the physical

1338
00:56:07,250 --> 00:56:04,800
aspect and the physical object was part

1339
00:56:10,069 --> 00:56:07,260
of why these were so unspecial and why

1340
00:56:12,290 --> 00:56:10,079
they serve the purpose of I think

1341
00:56:15,170 --> 00:56:12,300
Terence McKenna actually uh theorized

1342
00:56:17,150 --> 00:56:15,180
that they serve the purpose of reminding

1343
00:56:19,190 --> 00:56:17,160
us that we don't know what Consciousness

1344
00:56:21,109 --> 00:56:19,200
is we don't know what our mind is and

1345
00:56:22,910 --> 00:56:21,119
there's no way to solve the UFO

1346
00:56:25,069 --> 00:56:22,920
phenomenon until we figure out what

1347
00:56:26,930 --> 00:56:25,079
thinking is and when you think about how

1348
00:56:28,490 --> 00:56:26,940
long we've been thinking and still don't

1349
00:56:30,470 --> 00:56:28,500
know what that is it's kind of one of

1350
00:56:32,510 --> 00:56:30,480
those things that like it just keeps

1351
00:56:35,630 --> 00:56:32,520
going in circles and it's all just meant

1352
00:56:37,970 --> 00:56:35,640
to remind you that every day is kind of

1353
00:56:40,010 --> 00:56:37,980
magical and that the mundane is as

1354
00:56:42,710 --> 00:56:40,020
magical as you want it to be and it's

1355
00:56:44,450 --> 00:56:42,720
just funny that it goes in waves and I

1356
00:56:45,829 --> 00:56:44,460
love that there are people like you that

1357
00:56:48,049 --> 00:56:45,839
sit in the middle Ryan because I think

1358
00:56:49,549 --> 00:56:48,059
there's a lot of value too to the

1359
00:56:51,470 --> 00:56:49,559
physical side getting more people

1360
00:56:53,329 --> 00:56:51,480
thinking weirder and the more people

1361
00:56:55,910 --> 00:56:53,339
that think weird even if they don't go

1362
00:56:58,309 --> 00:56:55,920
into the the Deep weird as Dr Jack

1363
00:57:01,430 --> 00:56:58,319
Hunter I still think it's better for

1364
00:57:03,890 --> 00:57:01,440
everybody if that makes sense yeah man

1365
00:57:05,750 --> 00:57:03,900
and you know well while some people

1366
00:57:07,790 --> 00:57:05,760
think fence sitting is not a good thing

1367
00:57:11,150 --> 00:57:07,800
I'm gonna keep sitting on that fence

1368
00:57:13,609 --> 00:57:11,160
until my butt can't take it anymore but

1369
00:57:16,490 --> 00:57:13,619
um Rob something something I've

1370
00:57:20,089 --> 00:57:16,500
respected always about you Rob is

1371
00:57:24,170 --> 00:57:20,099
um you know ever since 2017 like you

1372
00:57:26,690 --> 00:57:24,180
stuck to what you first got like what

1373
00:57:29,270 --> 00:57:26,700
first got you into doing our Strange

1374
00:57:31,069 --> 00:57:29,280
skies and you never really veered away

1375
00:57:33,170 --> 00:57:31,079
from that and that's what kept me coming

1376
00:57:35,510 --> 00:57:33,180
back every week to listen to these

1377
00:57:37,010 --> 00:57:35,520
incredible stories so I gotta ask you I

1378
00:57:39,549 --> 00:57:37,020
don't think I've ever really asked you

1379
00:57:43,910 --> 00:57:39,559
this um on air at least like

1380
00:57:47,329 --> 00:57:43,920
what what do you make of post 2017

1381
00:57:50,390 --> 00:57:47,339
ufology and kind of um what made you not

1382
00:57:52,970 --> 00:57:50,400
really want to tackle any of that sort

1383
00:57:56,870 --> 00:57:52,980
of stuff if you don't mind me asking

1384
00:57:58,309 --> 00:57:56,880
so 2017 felt like a reset reset switch

1385
00:58:00,170 --> 00:57:58,319
for a lot of people I'd been

1386
00:58:04,190 --> 00:58:00,180
investigating and researching the stuff

1387
00:58:07,130 --> 00:58:04,200
since 2015 and what I was Finding was

1388
00:58:09,290 --> 00:58:07,140
weird like just absolutely weird and

1389
00:58:12,410 --> 00:58:09,300
then you know the New York Times article

1390
00:58:15,349 --> 00:58:12,420
drops and it becomes this it becomes the

1391
00:58:18,109 --> 00:58:15,359
face of ufology and uh it introduces you

1392
00:58:20,750 --> 00:58:18,119
to like the future faces of ufology and

1393
00:58:24,710 --> 00:58:20,760
mainly Luella lozondo like and and how

1394
00:58:27,950 --> 00:58:24,720
uh he's largely been associated with uh

1395
00:58:30,650 --> 00:58:27,960
the UFO movement up to now and like if

1396
00:58:34,150 --> 00:58:30,660
you engage with people online

1397
00:58:36,289 --> 00:58:34,160
um it can be toxic because

1398
00:58:38,930 --> 00:58:36,299
it just seems like a lot of people put

1399
00:58:43,250 --> 00:58:38,940
Blind Faith into

1400
00:58:45,770 --> 00:58:43,260
um government agents and I've never it

1401
00:58:49,190 --> 00:58:45,780
it's just to me that that that's not the

1402
00:58:51,770 --> 00:58:49,200
interesting aspect of the the this topic

1403
00:58:55,309 --> 00:58:51,780
and uh one thing that I always go back

1404
00:58:58,970 --> 00:58:55,319
to is is your book Brian because like

1405
00:59:01,309 --> 00:58:58,980
you asked questions that nobody had

1406
00:59:03,589 --> 00:59:01,319
really bothered to ask which is you know

1407
00:59:05,450 --> 00:59:03,599
how did this affect your life how what

1408
00:59:08,690 --> 00:59:05,460
what happened after this how did things

1409
00:59:10,730 --> 00:59:08,700
change for you and to me I think that's

1410
00:59:13,609 --> 00:59:10,740
the most valuable question that's not

1411
00:59:16,010 --> 00:59:13,619
being asked of these of these Witnesses

1412
00:59:18,049 --> 00:59:16,020
and we don't have the ability to go back

1413
00:59:20,510 --> 00:59:18,059
and ask them because many of them are no

1414
00:59:22,609 --> 00:59:20,520
longer with us like uh Claude Edwards is

1415
00:59:26,270 --> 00:59:22,619
no longer with us Dan duggleby no longer

1416
00:59:28,190 --> 00:59:26,280
with us uh I don't know if Paulo saitano

1417
00:59:31,010 --> 00:59:28,200
is still with us but like

1418
00:59:32,750 --> 00:59:31,020
we can't ask those questions and nobody

1419
00:59:36,309 --> 00:59:32,760
really bothered to ask those questions

1420
00:59:39,710 --> 00:59:36,319
so when you get bogged down in

1421
00:59:42,230 --> 00:59:39,720
asking the government to tell us what

1422
00:59:44,150 --> 00:59:42,240
they know when the truth of the matter

1423
00:59:47,809 --> 00:59:44,160
is they probably don't really know that

1424
00:59:49,970 --> 00:59:47,819
much you're cutting out the witness in

1425
00:59:51,829 --> 00:59:49,980
and of itself like the witness is the

1426
00:59:53,870 --> 00:59:51,839
most important aspect of all of this

1427
00:59:56,690 --> 00:59:53,880
it's not even the aliens it's not even

1428
00:59:58,970 --> 00:59:56,700
the UFOs it's the witness where are they

1429
01:00:01,849 --> 00:59:58,980
in their life that they're having these

1430
01:00:04,309 --> 01:00:01,859
encounters and we don't ask that

1431
01:00:08,030 --> 01:00:04,319
question like that's not something that

1432
01:00:08,870 --> 01:00:08,040
you know uh comes up in a mufon like you

1433
01:00:11,630 --> 01:00:08,880
know

1434
01:00:13,670 --> 01:00:11,640
um uh when you're filling out a survey

1435
01:00:16,250 --> 01:00:13,680
it doesn't come up there it doesn't come

1436
01:00:18,829 --> 01:00:16,260
up on you know Peter Davenport's site

1437
01:00:21,230 --> 01:00:18,839
because nobody thinks to ask that

1438
01:00:23,750 --> 01:00:21,240
question because they're so concerned

1439
01:00:25,730 --> 01:00:23,760
with the nuts and bolts of it all and

1440
01:00:28,670 --> 01:00:25,740
and one thing that I've really started

1441
01:00:32,270 --> 01:00:28,680
to gravitate towards is that people see

1442
01:00:34,069 --> 01:00:32,280
these UFOs and these these beings when

1443
01:00:35,569 --> 01:00:34,079
they need to see them in their life and

1444
01:00:38,690 --> 01:00:35,579
it affects them in a way that

1445
01:00:40,910 --> 01:00:38,700
fundamentally changes them and May in

1446
01:00:43,970 --> 01:00:40,920
fact lead to positive changes in their

1447
01:00:46,970 --> 01:00:43,980
lives and and nobody is considering that

1448
01:00:49,490 --> 01:00:46,980
like nobody's uh to me like nobody's

1449
01:00:53,030 --> 01:00:49,500
really asking what did you do after this

1450
01:00:54,950 --> 01:00:53,040
what did you how did your life change in

1451
01:00:57,109 --> 01:00:54,960
the Years following this encounter like

1452
01:00:58,910 --> 01:00:57,119
your book was the first was the first to

1453
01:01:00,950 --> 01:00:58,920
really put that out there and like you

1454
01:01:02,930 --> 01:01:00,960
know you you talk to people who you know

1455
01:01:05,390 --> 01:01:02,940
became pastors who became actors and

1456
01:01:06,410 --> 01:01:05,400
stuff and and that's very important to

1457
01:01:08,990 --> 01:01:06,420
like

1458
01:01:11,930 --> 01:01:09,000
I think it's the most important thing to

1459
01:01:13,190 --> 01:01:11,940
figuring out what these things are they

1460
01:01:17,809 --> 01:01:13,200
are

1461
01:01:19,849 --> 01:01:17,819
things that show up when people need

1462
01:01:23,270 --> 01:01:19,859
them to show up and they change their

1463
01:01:25,910 --> 01:01:23,280
lives and that is the fundamental uh you

1464
01:01:29,089 --> 01:01:25,920
know my fundamental belief in UFOs UFOs

1465
01:01:30,589 --> 01:01:29,099
are changed change for people change for

1466
01:01:33,530 --> 01:01:30,599
um the better sometimes change for the

1467
01:01:36,230 --> 01:01:33,540
worse and I I think that's important and

1468
01:01:38,390 --> 01:01:36,240
the other aspect of this too is how it

1469
01:01:41,210 --> 01:01:38,400
inspires us it inspired us to do this

1470
01:01:45,109 --> 01:01:41,220
comic so like you know all of these

1471
01:01:47,390 --> 01:01:45,119
stories inspired us and to me they

1472
01:01:49,069 --> 01:01:47,400
deserve to have a second life in in many

1473
01:01:52,670 --> 01:01:49,079
ways and now they're getting their

1474
01:01:55,250 --> 01:01:52,680
second life in this in this comic and it

1475
01:01:57,710 --> 01:01:55,260
brings me joy every month to to see them

1476
01:02:00,049 --> 01:01:57,720
when Todd's done and he'll like send me

1477
01:02:02,390 --> 01:02:00,059
a message over on you know Instagram and

1478
01:02:03,530 --> 01:02:02,400
say hey have a look at this uh let's uh

1479
01:02:07,670 --> 01:02:03,540
you know make sure it's good and then

1480
01:02:09,410 --> 01:02:07,680
you know post it and to me that's at the

1481
01:02:11,750 --> 01:02:09,420
at the base level that's what we do is

1482
01:02:14,450 --> 01:02:11,760
like we give a lot of these cases a

1483
01:02:17,530 --> 01:02:14,460
second life and um you know that brings

1484
01:02:20,750 --> 01:02:17,540
me just a lot of joy ways so like to me

1485
01:02:22,250 --> 01:02:20,760
in in the course of our Strange skies

1486
01:02:24,950 --> 01:02:22,260
and doing this project it's

1487
01:02:27,289 --> 01:02:24,960
fundamentally changed how I feel about

1488
01:02:30,650 --> 01:02:27,299
this phenomenon and how I uh you know

1489
01:02:33,230 --> 01:02:30,660
connect to it so you know like

1490
01:02:34,490 --> 01:02:33,240
to me that's that's what UFOs are

1491
01:02:38,030 --> 01:02:34,500
they're changed they're changed for

1492
01:02:40,849 --> 01:02:38,040
people and um yeah that to me that's a

1493
01:02:43,910 --> 01:02:40,859
beautiful beautiful thing

1494
01:02:45,010 --> 01:02:43,920
absolutely man wow get me all misty-eyed

1495
01:02:48,589 --> 01:02:45,020
over here

1496
01:02:50,890 --> 01:02:48,599
seriously that no that was you make so

1497
01:02:54,530 --> 01:02:50,900
many good points and I think you know

1498
01:02:57,109 --> 01:02:54,540
joy joy like even if these things

1499
01:02:58,730 --> 01:02:57,119
affected someone negatively at the end

1500
01:03:01,130 --> 01:02:58,740
of the day you guys have given it a

1501
01:03:03,589 --> 01:03:01,140
second life and you've given it

1502
01:03:06,230 --> 01:03:03,599
um you've given it a sense of magic

1503
01:03:09,770 --> 01:03:06,240
you've given it a sense of wonder and

1504
01:03:12,289 --> 01:03:09,780
every time I see a new you know one of

1505
01:03:16,789 --> 01:03:12,299
your Comics drop it brings me joy every

1506
01:03:22,630 --> 01:03:16,799
time I see a military shot UFO still it

1507
01:03:25,670 --> 01:03:22,640
brings me nothing but just pure nauseous

1508
01:03:27,470 --> 01:03:25,680
so I have to thank you guys I have to

1509
01:03:30,170 --> 01:03:27,480
thank you for doing this at a time where

1510
01:03:32,630 --> 01:03:30,180
I think the field desperately needs this

1511
01:03:35,569 --> 01:03:32,640
they need to feel Wonder again

1512
01:03:38,150 --> 01:03:35,579
um they need to feel uh they need to see

1513
01:03:42,770 --> 01:03:38,160
the history of this topic the extremely

1514
01:03:46,390 --> 01:03:42,780
weird and um and possibly unanswerable

1515
01:03:49,190 --> 01:03:46,400
side of all of this and realize that um

1516
01:03:50,870 --> 01:03:49,200
ufology at least to me I don't know

1517
01:03:53,210 --> 01:03:50,880
about you guys it's not about finding

1518
01:03:55,609 --> 01:03:53,220
the answers like I'm never gonna know

1519
01:03:57,589 --> 01:03:55,619
what I saw in you know over the St

1520
01:04:00,650 --> 01:03:57,599
Lawrence River you're never gonna know

1521
01:04:02,390 --> 01:04:00,660
what you saw Rob up there in Upstate New

1522
01:04:05,270 --> 01:04:02,400
York as well but at the end of the day

1523
01:04:07,190 --> 01:04:05,280
like it's brought us together it's built

1524
01:04:11,569 --> 01:04:07,200
a community of

1525
01:04:14,870 --> 01:04:11,579
um of dreamers I I think to just keep

1526
01:04:16,609 --> 01:04:14,880
dreaming keep inspiring keep aspiring I

1527
01:04:18,650 --> 01:04:16,619
should say and I think that's what a lot

1528
01:04:22,190 --> 01:04:18,660
of this topic does it really does make

1529
01:04:24,710 --> 01:04:22,200
us look forward you know uh while also

1530
01:04:25,849 --> 01:04:24,720
looking back at cases like like what you

1531
01:04:28,609 --> 01:04:25,859
guys have done

1532
01:04:30,890 --> 01:04:28,619
um so no it's amazing I can't wait to

1533
01:04:33,049 --> 01:04:30,900
see what comes next so let's get there

1534
01:04:35,750 --> 01:04:33,059
let's wrap things up

1535
01:04:37,549 --> 01:04:35,760
um to welcome UFO people what's coming

1536
01:04:40,190 --> 01:04:37,559
next with the comment can you tease a

1537
01:04:41,990 --> 01:04:40,200
little anything for us

1538
01:04:43,430 --> 01:04:42,000
well the one thing that I'll go ahead

1539
01:04:45,230 --> 01:04:43,440
and say is that we are going to have

1540
01:04:46,970 --> 01:04:45,240
prints really soon I think this is

1541
01:04:49,130 --> 01:04:46,980
probably the third time we've made this

1542
01:04:52,250 --> 01:04:49,140
promise somewhere but it's it's really

1543
01:04:54,349 --> 01:04:52,260
going to happen I swear I'm I'm in I'm

1544
01:04:56,930 --> 01:04:54,359
in the final stages like I said this is

1545
01:04:58,789 --> 01:04:56,940
a labor of love that we do kind of on

1546
01:05:01,730 --> 01:04:58,799
the side of everything else so I mean

1547
01:05:03,829 --> 01:05:01,740
the more that we can do it I I my end

1548
01:05:05,750 --> 01:05:03,839
goal and I think robs as well is to have

1549
01:05:07,970 --> 01:05:05,760
a full print publication of these to

1550
01:05:10,069 --> 01:05:07,980
have a comic book of a collection of all

1551
01:05:11,809 --> 01:05:10,079
these Pages where you know you can see

1552
01:05:14,030 --> 01:05:11,819
that larger narrative and you can

1553
01:05:15,650 --> 01:05:14,040
identify those kind of patterns and see

1554
01:05:17,690 --> 01:05:15,660
it all kind of play together because I

1555
01:05:19,789 --> 01:05:17,700
think these the way that Rob's been

1556
01:05:22,010 --> 01:05:19,799
curating these stories there is like an

1557
01:05:23,690 --> 01:05:22,020
overall narrative going on that's kind

1558
01:05:25,370 --> 01:05:23,700
of presenting itself that I think is

1559
01:05:27,470 --> 01:05:25,380
really interesting

1560
01:05:29,349 --> 01:05:27,480
but yeah Prince coming soon eventually

1561
01:05:33,109 --> 01:05:29,359
full book

1562
01:05:36,289 --> 01:05:33,119
amazing amazing Rob can you tease any

1563
01:05:39,230 --> 01:05:36,299
upcoming cases you might be covering

1564
01:05:43,370 --> 01:05:39,240
yeah so uh we're definitely doing the

1565
01:05:48,770 --> 01:05:43,380
Stonehenge incident that is one that uh

1566
01:05:51,589 --> 01:05:48,780
I it has it has to be done like uh to me

1567
01:05:54,230 --> 01:05:51,599
that that's a fundamental case that kind

1568
01:05:58,130 --> 01:05:54,240
of affected me when I covered it on our

1569
01:06:00,349 --> 01:05:58,140
Strange Skies so many years ago like uh

1570
01:06:02,750 --> 01:06:00,359
it's a short episode it's like 20

1571
01:06:07,490 --> 01:06:02,760
minutes long but like it's such an

1572
01:06:08,589 --> 01:06:07,500
interesting case because it features

1573
01:06:11,030 --> 01:06:08,599
um

1574
01:06:12,770 --> 01:06:11,040
you know one witness who sees things

1575
01:06:14,690 --> 01:06:12,780
close up and then another one that sees

1576
01:06:17,150 --> 01:06:14,700
things from across the street over at

1577
01:06:19,849 --> 01:06:17,160
this large apartment building and their

1578
01:06:21,950 --> 01:06:19,859
times coincide and everything and uh

1579
01:06:26,150 --> 01:06:21,960
that's just always been an important

1580
01:06:28,730 --> 01:06:26,160
case for me and um there's a case called

1581
01:06:31,309 --> 01:06:28,740
uh I called it the shield of light and

1582
01:06:33,170 --> 01:06:31,319
it's from the year of the humanoids uh

1583
01:06:36,010 --> 01:06:33,180
in which this um

1584
01:06:41,690 --> 01:06:36,020
this woman looked out her trailer window

1585
01:06:46,849 --> 01:06:44,630
a gorilla like being inside a shield of

1586
01:06:50,690 --> 01:06:46,859
light just like moseying around the

1587
01:06:53,809 --> 01:06:50,700
parking lot so like it's it's it's a

1588
01:06:55,609 --> 01:06:53,819
weird and Whimsical case uh and like it

1589
01:06:57,770 --> 01:06:55,619
was another one that I can't wait to see

1590
01:07:00,470 --> 01:06:57,780
what Todd does with it because like the

1591
01:07:02,150 --> 01:07:00,480
sketches of it are it was Leonard

1592
01:07:05,390 --> 01:07:02,160
Stringfield that did the initial sketch

1593
01:07:06,950 --> 01:07:05,400
but um in in Canadian UFO report one of

1594
01:07:11,630 --> 01:07:06,960
my favorite artists in there is a guy

1595
01:07:12,230 --> 01:07:11,640
named Brian James and Brian James uh he

1596
01:07:14,870 --> 01:07:12,240
um

1597
01:07:18,770 --> 01:07:14,880
he's done a lot of

1598
01:07:21,710 --> 01:07:18,780
um these beautiful like full page spread

1599
01:07:23,630 --> 01:07:21,720
images of certain cases there's one of

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01:07:27,650 --> 01:07:23,640
my favorite my all-time favorite image

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01:07:30,170 --> 01:07:27,660
of his is uh it's a case uh called uh

1602
01:07:33,589 --> 01:07:30,180
the Rosedale humanoids case what you see

1603
01:07:35,690 --> 01:07:33,599
is it's beautiful to me it is the

1604
01:07:39,410 --> 01:07:35,700
equivalent of like starry night but in

1605
01:07:41,270 --> 01:07:39,420
UFO form it's uh you see this like it's

1606
01:07:43,089 --> 01:07:41,280
a nighttime scene there's these

1607
01:07:47,029 --> 01:07:43,099
mountains in the background Moon's out

1608
01:07:48,770 --> 01:07:47,039
and you see in this kind of like Valley

1609
01:07:52,190 --> 01:07:48,780
um in front of these mountains this like

1610
01:07:54,289 --> 01:07:52,200
Square shaped object with this door open

1611
01:07:55,970 --> 01:07:54,299
to it and there are two beings inside

1612
01:07:58,549 --> 01:07:55,980
one of them's right next to a control

1613
01:08:00,109 --> 01:07:58,559
panel the other one is signaling to a

1614
01:08:02,089 --> 01:08:00,119
being that is outside collecting like

1615
01:08:03,950 --> 01:08:02,099
rocks or something like that to get in

1616
01:08:08,390 --> 01:08:03,960
because there's a woman observing them

1617
01:08:11,390 --> 01:08:08,400
and it's it's just a beautiful like art

1618
01:08:13,190 --> 01:08:11,400
piece that I wish I had like an original

1619
01:08:15,049 --> 01:08:13,200
copy of and I could put on my wall it's

1620
01:08:17,870 --> 01:08:15,059
just so great but

1621
01:08:20,510 --> 01:08:17,880
um yeah Brian James did this one sketch

1622
01:08:23,510 --> 01:08:20,520
of this gorilla looking like entity like

1623
01:08:25,430 --> 01:08:23,520
just like tall really just looks like a

1624
01:08:26,510 --> 01:08:25,440
an anthropomorphic gorilla just like

1625
01:08:29,689 --> 01:08:26,520
hanging out in the shield of light

1626
01:08:31,430 --> 01:08:29,699
moving around and uh I I was just like

1627
01:08:33,590 --> 01:08:31,440
yeah I gotta I gotta see what Todd does

1628
01:08:35,150 --> 01:08:33,600
with this because it's it's so good so

1629
01:08:37,789 --> 01:08:35,160
that's another one coming down the line

1630
01:08:39,470 --> 01:08:37,799
I need to start uh getting some more

1631
01:08:41,570 --> 01:08:39,480
scripts going because these are the last

1632
01:08:44,209 --> 01:08:41,580
two that I have done but I've got some

1633
01:08:46,430 --> 01:08:44,219
good ideas I got some good cases that uh

1634
01:08:48,890 --> 01:08:46,440
we'll make for great Comics uh coming

1635
01:08:50,870 --> 01:08:48,900
down the pipe awesome awesome man I

1636
01:08:54,470 --> 01:08:50,880
can't wait space gorilla's coming up

1637
01:08:57,229 --> 01:08:54,480
guys stay tuned for that

1638
01:08:59,450 --> 01:08:57,239
um Todd before we go man tell us a

1639
01:09:00,249 --> 01:08:59,460
little about this project if you don't

1640
01:09:03,890 --> 01:09:00,259
mind

1641
01:09:06,829 --> 01:09:03,900
yeah uh personal folklore is it's kind

1642
01:09:09,470 --> 01:09:06,839
of my little baby I uh a little over a

1643
01:09:11,390 --> 01:09:09,480
year ago now I've been working as a

1644
01:09:13,309 --> 01:09:11,400
full-time cartoonist an illustrator for

1645
01:09:14,870 --> 01:09:13,319
a while I'm very grateful to be able to

1646
01:09:17,630 --> 01:09:14,880
do that and I was feeling a little stuck

1647
01:09:19,490 --> 01:09:17,640
in certain ways creatively and I wanted

1648
01:09:21,349 --> 01:09:19,500
to get back to making scenes it's

1649
01:09:23,090 --> 01:09:21,359
something that I did Growing Up that was

1650
01:09:25,370 --> 01:09:23,100
very special to me to self-publish

1651
01:09:27,890 --> 01:09:25,380
comics and just art scenes and stuff so

1652
01:09:30,829 --> 01:09:27,900
I uh gave myself a challenge to publish

1653
01:09:33,169 --> 01:09:30,839
a monthly Zine for a whole year so I did

1654
01:09:35,390 --> 01:09:33,179
12 issues well I did 11 issues of

1655
01:09:37,490 --> 01:09:35,400
personal folklore and then I did a

1656
01:09:40,249 --> 01:09:37,500
self-published kids book called sun and

1657
01:09:43,309 --> 01:09:40,259
mouse so those were my 12 months of

1658
01:09:45,289 --> 01:09:43,319
publishing one book a month and this is

1659
01:09:47,209 --> 01:09:45,299
the first collection of the first seven

1660
01:09:49,430 --> 01:09:47,219
issues I picked out my favorite stories

1661
01:09:51,590 --> 01:09:49,440
recolored them added some new artwork

1662
01:09:53,090 --> 01:09:51,600
and got it professionally printed all

1663
01:09:55,550 --> 01:09:53,100
the monthly issues were printed in my

1664
01:09:57,530 --> 01:09:55,560
garage very DIY I just you know printed

1665
01:09:59,630 --> 01:09:57,540
it on a xerox machine and stapled and

1666
01:10:02,270 --> 01:09:59,640
cut together and everything lots of silk

1667
01:10:04,130 --> 01:10:02,280
screened little variants and stuff so I

1668
01:10:05,570 --> 01:10:04,140
took all that all my favorites from the

1669
01:10:07,189 --> 01:10:05,580
first seven issue and got it

1670
01:10:09,530 --> 01:10:07,199
professionally printed super nice and

1671
01:10:12,050 --> 01:10:09,540
pretty and got a ton of them for the

1672
01:10:14,390 --> 01:10:12,060
first time to kind of start the new

1673
01:10:16,430 --> 01:10:14,400
chapter I maintaining a monthly

1674
01:10:19,130 --> 01:10:16,440
periodical is not something I can keep

1675
01:10:21,350 --> 01:10:19,140
up with at this point so I'm going to be

1676
01:10:23,149 --> 01:10:21,360
going to a quarterly version of it and

1677
01:10:24,649 --> 01:10:23,159
this is the first uh so they'll be

1678
01:10:27,290 --> 01:10:24,659
professionally printed they'll be bigger

1679
01:10:29,750 --> 01:10:27,300
these this one's 48 pages and these

1680
01:10:32,570 --> 01:10:29,760
Comics are they're all like very

1681
01:10:34,729 --> 01:10:32,580
paranormal and Weirdo And UFO related

1682
01:10:37,490 --> 01:10:34,739
just in a lot less of the way that

1683
01:10:40,790 --> 01:10:37,500
welcome UFO people is case retellings

1684
01:10:43,550 --> 01:10:40,800
this is the philosophical the touching

1685
01:10:45,530 --> 01:10:43,560
on things from what role do psychedelics

1686
01:10:47,630 --> 01:10:45,540
have to play in the Paranormal to what

1687
01:10:49,430 --> 01:10:47,640
role does death have to play and all the

1688
01:10:50,930 --> 01:10:49,440
things that I've kind of Amalgamated in

1689
01:10:52,910 --> 01:10:50,940
my brain from reading books and

1690
01:10:55,310 --> 01:10:52,920
listening to people way smarter than I

1691
01:10:58,729 --> 01:10:55,320
am over the years and I put them back

1692
01:11:01,010 --> 01:10:58,739
out in these silly little kind of five

1693
01:11:03,050 --> 01:11:01,020
to seven page stories and then there's a

1694
01:11:04,790 --> 01:11:03,060
big chunk of just single page Goblin

1695
01:11:06,590 --> 01:11:04,800
like funny is like just single page

1696
01:11:10,189 --> 01:11:06,600
Goblin comics where he's doing silly

1697
01:11:12,830 --> 01:11:10,199
stuff so that's kind of my the big thing

1698
01:11:15,169 --> 01:11:12,840
I'm trying to uh to keep going this year

1699
01:11:17,030 --> 01:11:15,179
and been really grateful for all the

1700
01:11:18,590 --> 01:11:17,040
support and yeah I'm really excited to

1701
01:11:21,770 --> 01:11:18,600
share this one with everybody

1702
01:11:24,050 --> 01:11:21,780
awesome man Goblin funnies I love it um

1703
01:11:25,970 --> 01:11:24,060
well last question for you Todd and I'm

1704
01:11:28,610 --> 01:11:25,980
probably gonna throw the two images up

1705
01:11:31,370 --> 01:11:28,620
here but uh both Rob and I had the

1706
01:11:34,010 --> 01:11:31,380
awesome honor of coming on your podcast

1707
01:11:36,410 --> 01:11:34,020
actually uh creative weirdos can you

1708
01:11:39,490 --> 01:11:36,420
tell us a little about that before we go

1709
01:11:42,410 --> 01:11:39,500
totally so creative weirdos is the

1710
01:11:45,410 --> 01:11:42,420
interview segment of a daily art podcast

1711
01:11:47,510 --> 01:11:45,420
I do called create Magic podcast I do

1712
01:11:49,729 --> 01:11:47,520
daily drawings and I post them on

1713
01:11:51,590 --> 01:11:49,739
Instagram and then I do a little five to

1714
01:11:52,910 --> 01:11:51,600
ten minute kind of ramble about what I

1715
01:11:55,130 --> 01:11:52,920
was drawing and thinking when I was

1716
01:11:56,689 --> 01:11:55,140
drawing it and I started doing an

1717
01:11:59,330 --> 01:11:56,699
interview segment to kind of explore

1718
01:12:01,310 --> 01:11:59,340
this idea of creativity and weirdness

1719
01:12:03,590 --> 01:12:01,320
and I have two main groups of friends

1720
01:12:05,570 --> 01:12:03,600
one of them being professional artists

1721
01:12:07,850 --> 01:12:05,580
and full-time creatives and one of them

1722
01:12:09,649 --> 01:12:07,860
being people like y'all who ride this

1723
01:12:12,110 --> 01:12:09,659
boundary of the world of the weird and

1724
01:12:14,270 --> 01:12:12,120
being full-time creatives and like I

1725
01:12:16,550 --> 01:12:14,280
wanted to explore that connection more

1726
01:12:18,350 --> 01:12:16,560
by talking to folks like yourselves and

1727
01:12:20,270 --> 01:12:18,360
really just having an excuse to reach

1728
01:12:22,310 --> 01:12:20,280
out to people that really inspire me and

1729
01:12:24,530 --> 01:12:22,320
all the work that I do and kind of throw

1730
01:12:26,750 --> 01:12:24,540
some ideas around so yeah I drop a

1731
01:12:28,910 --> 01:12:26,760
different interview every Saturday and

1732
01:12:31,130 --> 01:12:28,920
it's been super fun I I've gotten to

1733
01:12:33,709 --> 01:12:31,140
talk to some people like yourselves that

1734
01:12:36,350 --> 01:12:33,719
have like very much inspired my work the

1735
01:12:39,770 --> 01:12:36,360
last couple years so yeah I definitely

1736
01:12:41,770 --> 01:12:39,780
hope to keep doing it it was super fun

1737
01:12:44,030 --> 01:12:41,780
man again got to stretch those uh

1738
01:12:47,149 --> 01:12:44,040
theoretical and creative muscles over

1739
01:12:48,770 --> 01:12:47,159
there so thank you thank you it was

1740
01:12:49,910 --> 01:12:48,780
great and thank you I mean so one of the

1741
01:12:51,770 --> 01:12:49,920
coolest things about doing the podcast

1742
01:12:53,510 --> 01:12:51,780
and kind of putting myself more out in

1743
01:12:56,630 --> 01:12:53,520
this community is these weird little

1744
01:12:58,729 --> 01:12:56,640
synchronicities and the like I got the

1745
01:13:00,890 --> 01:12:58,739
chance to have you on Ryan and from

1746
01:13:03,110 --> 01:13:00,900
there Mike clelland who was somebody

1747
01:13:04,790 --> 01:13:03,120
I've always loved his work he reached

1748
01:13:06,770 --> 01:13:04,800
out because he heard our episode and was

1749
01:13:08,630 --> 01:13:06,780
like I think I would be a great guest on

1750
01:13:11,209 --> 01:13:08,640
your podcast and I was like this is

1751
01:13:13,370 --> 01:13:11,219
amazing and it's a long story but

1752
01:13:16,370 --> 01:13:13,380
essentially you know my clone is known

1753
01:13:17,810 --> 01:13:16,380
for owls and synchronicities and UFOs he

1754
01:13:19,790 --> 01:13:17,820
reached out to me he texted me on my

1755
01:13:21,350 --> 01:13:19,800
phone which was very different like I

1756
01:13:23,330 --> 01:13:21,360
don't usually get text messages from

1757
01:13:26,149 --> 01:13:23,340
random people right so text me on my

1758
01:13:28,669 --> 01:13:26,159
phone and I really literally just got

1759
01:13:31,310 --> 01:13:28,679
home from the hospital because my

1760
01:13:33,229 --> 01:13:31,320
six-year-old had eaten a Lego he

1761
01:13:35,990 --> 01:13:33,239
swallowed a Lego and it was a piece from

1762
01:13:38,390 --> 01:13:36,000
Hedwig the owl set from Harry Potter so

1763
01:13:39,890 --> 01:13:38,400
my my son had literally just swallowed a

1764
01:13:41,390 --> 01:13:39,900
piece of an owl and then Michael Ellen

1765
01:13:43,189 --> 01:13:41,400
text me because he listened to our

1766
01:13:44,450 --> 01:13:43,199
podcast and asked to be on and I was

1767
01:13:46,790 --> 01:13:44,460
like Mike you're not going to believe

1768
01:13:48,890 --> 01:13:46,800
this first off yes 100 I can't wait to

1769
01:13:51,010 --> 01:13:48,900
talk to you and uh this just happened my

1770
01:13:54,649 --> 01:13:51,020
son swallowed a piece of an owl

1771
01:13:56,149 --> 01:13:54,659
so wow yeah I couldn't remember if I had

1772
01:13:57,290 --> 01:13:56,159
actually relayed that to you Ryan so I

1773
01:13:59,810 --> 01:13:57,300
figured this would be a good opportunity

1774
01:14:02,689 --> 01:13:59,820
so thank you

1775
01:14:05,630 --> 01:14:02,699
that you hang out or you talk to Michael

1776
01:14:08,229 --> 01:14:05,640
and something weird is bound to happen

1777
01:14:11,689 --> 01:14:08,239
try spending a whole weekend in his

1778
01:14:13,610 --> 01:14:11,699
Adirondacks cabin that was a an

1779
01:14:17,090 --> 01:14:13,620
experience Rob knows well at this point

1780
01:14:20,689 --> 01:14:17,100
that I've told but um yeah yeah awesome

1781
01:14:22,850 --> 01:14:20,699
man well Rob obviously man before we go

1782
01:14:26,750 --> 01:14:22,860
can you tell us what you might have

1783
01:14:29,209 --> 01:14:26,760
coming up over at our Strange Skies

1784
01:14:33,709 --> 01:14:29,219
yeah so our Strange guys we've been

1785
01:14:34,970 --> 01:14:33,719
going weekly since uh late 2021 uh which

1786
01:14:39,290 --> 01:14:34,980
was something that I had never done

1787
01:14:42,590 --> 01:14:39,300
before and uh somehow managed to keep it

1788
01:14:45,110 --> 01:14:42,600
going and yeah like uh lately I've been

1789
01:14:47,870 --> 01:14:45,120
driving into these like narrative

1790
01:14:50,630 --> 01:14:47,880
episodes uh and they've been super fun

1791
01:14:53,149 --> 01:14:50,640
to do because like uh you know it's

1792
01:14:55,729 --> 01:14:53,159
sometimes it's just fun to sit there at

1793
01:14:59,090 --> 01:14:55,739
a microphone and you know decide how am

1794
01:15:01,669 --> 01:14:59,100
I going to you know uh dramatize this

1795
01:15:03,590 --> 01:15:01,679
for the listener and the next couple

1796
01:15:07,250 --> 01:15:03,600
episodes that we got coming up are great

1797
01:15:10,310 --> 01:15:07,260
uh next week's episode is on the

1798
01:15:12,550 --> 01:15:10,320
Coronado group alien abduction which uh

1799
01:15:15,229 --> 01:15:12,560
is very strange it's kind of the

1800
01:15:18,110 --> 01:15:15,239
Potpourri of abduction cases from the

1801
01:15:20,630 --> 01:15:18,120
90s where you have a bunch of different

1802
01:15:23,990 --> 01:15:20,640
alien beings abducting people that are

1803
01:15:26,689 --> 01:15:24,000
attending a UFO conference and it's a

1804
01:15:29,870 --> 01:15:26,699
very strange case uh we are going to be

1805
01:15:32,750 --> 01:15:29,880
viewing an episode has been recorded on

1806
01:15:36,770 --> 01:15:32,760
the lead masks case and you know we Dove

1807
01:15:40,490 --> 01:15:36,780
very deep into it uh and uh we came away

1808
01:15:44,330 --> 01:15:40,500
with you know I think what is the kind

1809
01:15:45,770 --> 01:15:44,340
of best conclusion on that and uh yeah

1810
01:15:47,930 --> 01:15:45,780
right now we're

1811
01:15:50,689 --> 01:15:47,940
um you're gonna hear a little bit about

1812
01:15:53,630 --> 01:15:50,699
Jeff the talking Mongoose at some point

1813
01:15:56,030 --> 01:15:53,640
um very soon uh with some very special

1814
01:15:57,830 --> 01:15:56,040
guests on that one and I'm really

1815
01:16:00,110 --> 01:15:57,840
excited to share that one because it's

1816
01:16:01,610 --> 01:16:00,120
it's a great story it's a great story

1817
01:16:02,330 --> 01:16:01,620
about you know

1818
01:16:05,570 --> 01:16:02,340
um

1819
01:16:07,189 --> 01:16:05,580
family that purchased a farm and they

1820
01:16:10,850 --> 01:16:07,199
had a talking Mongoose in their house

1821
01:16:12,590 --> 01:16:10,860
sometimes uh you know I'm always like

1822
01:16:15,350 --> 01:16:12,600
I'm always thinking always working

1823
01:16:17,090 --> 01:16:15,360
always kind of putting out stuff but uh

1824
01:16:18,830 --> 01:16:17,100
yeah it's pretty much what I got coming

1825
01:16:21,890 --> 01:16:18,840
down to Pike right now

1826
01:16:23,570 --> 01:16:21,900
awesome man well hey I can't wait we

1827
01:16:26,450 --> 01:16:23,580
covered the lead Mass case over on

1828
01:16:29,090 --> 01:16:26,460
patreon um but not as in-depth as I'm

1829
01:16:31,250 --> 01:16:29,100
sure you went so I'm really interested

1830
01:16:33,830 --> 01:16:31,260
to hear this conclusion that you

1831
01:16:36,229 --> 01:16:33,840
possibly came up with so I definitely

1832
01:16:38,990 --> 01:16:36,239
looking forward to that um Rob where can

1833
01:16:42,590 --> 01:16:39,000
we find everything you're up to brother

1834
01:16:45,950 --> 01:16:42,600
so uh the One-Stop shop uh for our

1835
01:16:48,410 --> 01:16:45,960
Strange Skies uh is our strangeguys.com

1836
01:16:51,290 --> 01:16:48,420
you can find links to everything there

1837
01:16:54,290 --> 01:16:51,300
uh if you want to check out welcome UFO

1838
01:16:56,330 --> 01:16:54,300
people we are on Twitter at welcome UFO

1839
01:16:58,550 --> 01:16:56,340
Peeps and Instagram at welcome UFO

1840
01:17:02,209 --> 01:16:58,560
people and Todd and I both release

1841
01:17:04,729 --> 01:17:02,219
high-res images on our patreon pages so

1842
01:17:06,830 --> 01:17:04,739
if you want like the the really high res

1843
01:17:08,470 --> 01:17:06,840
high quality images showing either one

1844
01:17:11,570 --> 01:17:08,480
of our patreons we put them out monthly

1845
01:17:14,930 --> 01:17:11,580
and uh yeah if you want to follow along

1846
01:17:18,470 --> 01:17:14,940
on uh Twitter I am at your UFO guy

1847
01:17:21,590 --> 01:17:18,480
spelled y-e-r-u-fo guy and uh the show

1848
01:17:23,149 --> 01:17:21,600
account is at our stream Skies so uh if

1849
01:17:24,770 --> 01:17:23,159
you want to keep up with all the

1850
01:17:26,930 --> 01:17:24,780
weirdness that I got going on those are

1851
01:17:29,810 --> 01:17:26,940
the best places to do it

1852
01:17:31,430 --> 01:17:29,820
perfect Todd give us the socials man

1853
01:17:32,090 --> 01:17:31,440
where can we find everything you're up

1854
01:17:33,729 --> 01:17:32,100
to

1855
01:17:35,750 --> 01:17:33,739
cool uh

1856
01:17:37,729 --> 01:17:35,760
createmagicstudios.com is the best place

1857
01:17:39,890 --> 01:17:37,739
as far as the shop and patreon and

1858
01:17:41,990 --> 01:17:39,900
podcast and everything uh create Magic

1859
01:17:43,790 --> 01:17:42,000
podcast wherever you listen to it is

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that'll get you the interviews and the

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daily art stuff that I ramble about and

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then uh at Todd de85 which is a weird

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one but that's my Instagram and that's

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where I keep all of my daily pictures

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and everything so if you want to see the

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stuff that I make every day that's the

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best place

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awesome man well guys welcome UFO people

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goodbye UFO people so Todd Rob I had to

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do it guys I had to get the fun in there

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I had to do it Todd Rob thank you so

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much guys for joining me today on

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somewhere in the skies it was a true one

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thank you

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